Ozan
the Magnificent Bastard
He seemed to give Elenwen the finger during Helgen. He had this information? It is fairly obvious information, have to be completely ignorant to not see the Thalmor behind the uprising stirring up trouble. The Legion can see it, but it is their fault the Stormcloaks can't?
Wait, so the Imperials know the Thalmor are behind the uprising, yet they are okay with letting the Thalmor stand guard over the execution with no fear or concern that they wouldn't intervene? Tullius sounds pretty careless.
He is rumored to have killed the High King by shouting him apart. I doubt the Imperials are going to let him have a chat near the Emperor.
Ulfric probably wanted? Without any evidence or anything to at least hint towards that?
The doorman in Solitude got to defend his position before he died, why not Ulfric?
Way I see it, Imperials can do whatever they like with their religion. They created it, and they spread it.
Right, just like how the Catholics control the Protestants and the Eastern Orthodox.
You must over read it, or just have a complete lack of understanding.
Clearly, not like you could ever be possibly wrong about ANYTHING ever in your life. Sorry for doubting anything you ever say, Serjo. It is obviously my mistake, confound it all!
And I call myself the "Magnificent Bastard." Oy...
Arresting people for murder, isn't that controlling someone's life? Guess every country in the world are totalitarian. Banning the worship of Talos and turning a blind eye to people who still worship? Real oppressive. Nords have Imperials beat, they used to burn the priests of the Divines at the stake.
Right, because murder is the exact same as freedom of Religion, nice to see, Grand Inquisitor Mage. That's an excellent comparison. Why don't we release all the murderers because their jail cell is reserved for those damn heretics, by Talos!
Gee, now I'm a heretic. :C
Ignoring that, sure. Murdering someone and worshipping a different religion is the same ticket. I'll buy into it for now, though I'll admit it doesn't make sense to me considering worshipping someone else is a victimless crime (just saying). But, whatevs, I'll ignore it just for you. Concerning the Nords burning priests at the stake, go for it. Its not like they eventually converted almost the entire region, so their deaths weren't in vain. They also weren't part of the same nation at the time, I'd wager. Lets persecute Iceland for burning Christian priests at the stake, lets persecute Italy for feeding Christians to lions, even!
There is a point where it happened so long ago, it doesn't even register. You're grasping for straws and you're slandering the people you're trying to defend.
They've turned their back on most of the Nordic religion, so they're less Nordly.
And you've turned your back on the most Colovian god. Does that make the Imperials any less Imperial?
So do the Imperial Legion, many of them are fighting for their homes, and the belief of keeping the Empire united.
Gee, where was this patriotism when the Aldmeri invaded the first time around?
Istlod is an old, weak and feeble man? Do you have a source for that? Kodlak is old, Ulfric is getting up in his age too. Istlod was perhaps a true High King according to Ulfric Stormcloak. So he must have been a warrior to be called a "True High King of Skyrim"
You and your sources. Tell you what, you provide me a source saying he died in the prime of his life. I'm pretty sure he died of natural causes, and if he didn't I'll retract that statement.
You see people fanboy all over Hitler still.
The history books also don't record Nazi Germany very positively. However, thanks to propaganda (that was supposedly banned) FDR is still rather popular, even more popular than Hitler. Its not a matter of who, its a matter of who says it.
He's been ruler of his Hold for many years.
But not all the holds as High King. The High King may start as a Jarl, but they're not Jarls. Try to keep up.
Torygg was killed very shortly in his reign, he had less time as Jarl than Ulfric did. Being High King doesn't mean you handhold the province, the eight other Holds are largely independent.
I'm sure you'd agree that the system in Skyrim is rather feudal (which is why the holds maintain so much independence). The holds have their taxes, then the a portion of the tax goes to the High King. The High King would also deal with a lot of the major political matters.
There is a difference, there are perks, and there are benifits. Better to be High King than Jarl.
Titus has the power of veto within Imperial politics. What is he going to do? Elder Council handle the rest. But, I would say he's rebuilt the Imperial army to a strength enough to threaten the Aldmeri Dominion, established calm and peace within Cyrodiil after brigands and criminals had caused problems in the aftermath of the war. For the first three years of his reign the Empire was prosperous and doing very well.
You can't claim that the Imperial Army is enough to threaten the Aldmeri. Even if it has grown, wouldn't the Aldmeri's army also grow? You're already buying into blind fervor, enough to claim "WE WILL WIN WITHOUT EFFORT AT ALL!!!" Afterall, the Empire hadn't lost a war for two eras until the Aldmeri Dominion turned up. There is a difference between confidence and arrogance, something the Empire discovered at a high price.
Changed the entire landscape of Cyrodiil from dense jungle to nice forests with his mind as a thank you to his subjects. Some people would say that is impressive.
Pics or it didn't happen!
Ignoring that, a man terascapes the place with the power of a god, and you refuse to acknowledge his seat in the Pantheon? #JustImperialThings
Mede dies, so we just need to kill Ulfric and we'd be good.
So you don't mind if Mede dies so long as Ulfric dies? Don't mean to intrude, but doesn't that seem a bit vindicated? Willing to throw as many lives in the fire as it takes so long as victory is assured? Isn't that how the Battle of the Red Ring was handled? I'm sure if Mede was the true mind of stratagem that you claimed he was, he would have managed his losses more efficiently and try to minimize the overall casualties so he could maintain his efforts. After all, the Aldmeri Army WAS defeated, he didn't have to give into demands at all and Ulfric wouldn't have had to rise to power.
Yet, no. He is so infallible in your eyes that you refuse to tolerate the words "should have", "could have", or "would have". History repeats itself because we didn't learn the first time around, but how can we learn when we refuse to acknowledge?
They don't need to contact him directly, they have assets and can warn other Stormcloaks.
"A masterstroke by General Tullius! He's only been in charge here for a few months, but he's turned things around for the Empire. We've been trying to catch Ulfric since the war started, but he always seemed to slip through our fingers... like he knew we were coming. This time, the General turned the tables on him. Ulfric rode right into our ambush with only a few bodyguards. He surrendered pretty meekly, too. So much for his death-or-glory reputation." - Hadvar
Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed. - Thalmor Dossier.
As we can gather, the Thalmor remain hands off unless it affects their plans. Imperials trying to capture Ulfric, he's suddenly tipped off and escapes.
That's speculation, not hard evidence. Every coincidence has to be taken with a grain of salt, if the Thalmor did help Ulfric all those times then why didn't they help Ulfric this time? If guessing is to be used in the stead of place, how can anyone defend themselves?
Tullius is using local means, he isn't getting anything from Cyrodiil. With the Pass Blocked, he's also lost solid communication with Cyrodiil. I thought you said the Stormcloaks fought for their homes and has a God on their side. Is Talos really beaten by a few more coins?
Tullius views them as a threat to the Empire.
Oh, no? What about the Imperial Misc Quest after you join them called "Getting Outfitted"? Beirand gives you a free set of armor for whatever you prefer. He's getting paid for each set of armor he makes. This goes for most blacksmiths in the Imperial side of Skyrim, they are making a lot of armor and weapons for the Imperials and they're getting paid for it (the Battleborns try to get Whiterun to make weapons for the Imperials, too, saying they'll pay whatever it takes).
They may not have the manpower of the Empire, but they have the funding. And afterall, the Sinews of war are infinite money.
I see them as a very short term solution to a problem that will be gone within months.
Sounds like the perfect solution if it'll only last months.
Yes, with the Legion barely able to maintain law and order in the aftermath of the war. With Aldmeri possibly still within Cyrodiil after Red Ring. He hardly lies down, he fought a war for four years because the Empire would not accept such terms at the mere threat of war.
Empire wasn't going to win the first round, but it wasn't going to simply lay down without a bloody nose.
More like a kick to the teeth, with a torn off right arm (Hammerfell) and an upset stomach (Skyrim). They killed the leading general of the Aldmeri dominion, they did they're own damage as well. I assure you that they could have gotten a White Peace rather than a White-Gold Concordat. They could have gotten something from what they've sacrificed, they could have fought for more. Not on the field, but at the truce. Instead, they say "Alright, I submit" rather than acknowledge they're equal ground.
If they had at least debated and tried for some changes in the treaty, I'd be far more sympathetic. But they didn't. They've earned their fate.
He asks about if he surrenders after Rikke is dead. He also fights with her when the Stormcloaks attack... Hiding behind a woman? She's a Nord woman, they're no different than Nord men.
So, he wants to surrender AFTER she dies? That last line of defense, Bro!
Were able to take the city when the Legions left...
Well of course they did, the Militia fought the Reachmen for it.
They're hardly a pain in the ass when you can shout a gate open.
I'm not sure if you know what Markarth is or what their gates are made out of, but its Dwarven metal. Big doors. I imagine they'd lock the doors for a siege.
Unless I mistaken the Dwarven Metal for High King Toryggs, that door ain't going to open with a Fus Ro Dah. Take a moment and think before saying something so asinine.
Source?
I'd have to look for it. Getting tired of you always DEMANDING a source for everything I say. Sounds to me that you're calling me a liar... I pray it isn't true, though, for I know it shall break my heart if it were.
90% of supporters are racist, xenophobic and near hostile towards Non-nords. Every Stormcloak guard and Galmar using racial slurs like lizard and cat. Also slightly threatening elves...
Ulfric doesn't know. His head must be far up his ass to not see it. Funding of the Empire again, so Skyrim is better off with the Empire. Since the funds can be used to rebuild Skyrim much quicker.
Is that an actual statistic or a guesstimate? Regardless, Galmar doesn't rule Windhelm, so don't act like he does. A lot of folks are racist in the game, might I add. The Dunmer, for one, were the most racist race that walks Tamriel. A fitting irony that here they are oppressed, no?
That being said, why DOES Ulfric need to know about the actions of a private citizen? Holds and cities are downsized so the game doesn't become a hassle to navigate through, do you really expect the Jarl to know what every citizen is doing in his city while fighting a war? Can Titus Mede tell me the weather of High Rock as it happens? Can he tell me what his maid's brother is doing?
No, because he has more important plops to do. This is just your biased leaking out.
Not yet, but who knows what his supporters would do. Why are you Stormcloaks getting your jimmies in a knot? Person screaming about Talos gets arrested, 99% of Talos worship being ignored. Few people getting taken by the Thalmor and killed...
Solution? An uprising which takes more lives than the Thalmor Justiciars do. Creates a large bandit problem where they're able to raid farms and do as they please without worry. Killing even more citizens, regardless of race or religion.
"I tell you this province is losing its grip. The bandits become more brazen every day." - Skjor/Vilkas
Jimmies in a knot? Didn't realize you were a senior citizen. Nice slang.
You seem awfully fond of this "Fear" concept! What if they do this? What if they do that? What if my aunt had a dick? Then she'd be my uncle. What ifs aren't doing anyone any good. They're only used to inspire fear, and considering no one exists in their world (excluding multiverse theory), then nobody should be concerned with What Ifs. You can have all the theories in the world, but if there is no crime then there isn't a criminal.
Talking about the boat filled with EETC Mercenaries.
East Empire Trading Company shouldn't even be allowed in Windhelm. The East India Trading Company (what the EETC is based off) had its own military and dealt with its own diplomacy, but was ultimately a branch off the English Empire which is similar to the EETC in game (who has their own military and the Empire grants all funding too, and even is lead by the Emperor's cousin). If Ulfric were as grand as some of my Stormcloak comrades claimed him to be, he'd kick them out.
No. The armor is mass produced, and is used by many people. Thing is found is caves at times. But, yeah. The EETC are stupid for not changing their armor to suit retarded Nords who think spies walk around in Legion armor. They'd be pretty pl*** spies.
Walmart opens a new store every time they make a million dollars, doesn't mean I'm going to go shop there any time soon. Simply because something is made en masse, doesn't mean you should get it. Something like that tends to denote poor quality and cheap value, due to the abundance and the maintaining of this abundance. The EETC is a part of the Empire, hence East EMPIRE Trading Company. They shouldn't be trusted at all, even if they aren't spies.
Imperial armor isn't an SS Uniform. It is found all over Tamriel, even those who aren't part of the Legion.
I'm not saying it is an SS Uniform, all I'm saying is that you probably shouldn't wear what the enemy wears. It tends to be healthier this way. Wear what you want AFTER the war, like Neo-Nazis do.
Skyrim doesn't pass in time. War is right around the corner.
Thanks, Legate George RR Martin for reminding us.
No it isn't. The last successful assassination, there would be many attempts.
A successful assassination leads to more assassination attempts. The guy who asked you to assassinate the Emperor even said that it'd put the Dark Brotherhood back on the map, and they only do one thing and that's murder.
Yeah, Skald... I'm sure he is a great ally for Ulfric. True Stormcloak, he is.
Any who oppose the Empire is a friend to me.
Yes, this includes the Thalmor.
Maybe to everyone who actually understands we don't get every single bit of information due to it being a game. No, you're using absence of evidence as evidence of absence.
Bullplops, for the last few posts of yours you've been doing nothing but grasping for them straws. You just used a what if scenario, trying to fill the information yourself. You didn't make the game, you didn't write anything. So long as this is true, I maintain my reasonable doubt. Deal with it.
No. Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are not all the Nords of Skyrim.
This may be true, but any Nord who joins Tullius should be considered an Imperial. I can tolerate Neutrality, but betrayal? The horror.
That generally happens in the Moot itself, unless you have an army and decide you'd rather make your claim now.
Just like how Elisif was given an Imperial General to make her own army?
The Empire doesn't control who becomes High King/Queen of Skyrim. The Nords Jarls do, and the way the Nords elect their High King hasn't changed since the pact of Chieftains which predates all three Imperial Empires.
So show me your source the Empire is deciding? You have nothing to even back up your claim here. Stick to something you can back up, instead of the bullpl*** you go on about.
What would happen if a Jarl goes against Ulfric and decides to reject his claim? Would Ulfric kill them too? Is he unable to ever take no for an answer?
Pretty sure the Empire made their bid for who should be High Queen when they sent the IMPERIAL LEGION. Try to keep up.
Empire didn't force him. However, it isn't Ulfric against Elisif. It is Ulfric against the Empire, so there is no point saying "Well if the Empire wasn't there, Ulfric would be winning" if Ulfric wasn't there, things would be normal.
So, you're telling me that Ulfric's army that he's amassed wouldn't be able to fight the other holds? So, Skyrim doesn't need the Legion?
Finally, we agree.
I forgot, expecting some lore backing from you is few and far between.
I post a picture of George RR Martin, a clear parody of what you've been doing, and you complain about lack of lore...?
Thalmor have been inside the Empire's lands for over a hundred and fifty years. There isn't this "letting them" clearly you have no knowledge of the Thalmor.
That was back when they had to hide in the shadows. Now, they can walk around with a sign over their heads saying "Deal with it". That's so much better.
Doubtful, the Thalmor don't rely on brute strength. They excel as espionage, which the Stormcloaks lack any ability to counter. They fund bandits, cause uprisings, assassinate, manipulate etc.
Bandits, uprisings, etc. That's called a Proxy War. A war not designed to fight the Stormcloaks, but to fight the Empire. I'm sure they could care less about Skyrim with the Empire 'suddenly' on their feet again, something you implied Titus Mede did.
Gee, another comment that has absolutely nothing to do with the argument.
In Soviet Russia, deer shoots you!
I love Soviet Russia jokes, I'll say this now. But, unfortunately, that joke was crap. I understand what you were trying to do, but you lack the class and finesse to pull it off. You should be ashamed of yourself, of what you just did. It isn't my fault if you don't understand what I mean, I made my sarcasm obvious enough. Don't blame me for your lack of understanding.
No. If I did, then it was when I didn't know much about the lore. I say he's a puppet who is twenty steps behind the Thalmor, trying to wage a rebellion they planned and indirectly aid.
Both sides are getting played by the Thalmor, but the Imperials are figuring it out and are in a position to combat the Aldmeri Dominion and counter some of the Thalmor espionage.
Words are like sparrows, once released they may never be caught again. Its an old Russian proverb (somewhat ironic, being Russian and your lackluster joke from a moment ago). You should choose your words carefully. People say that this is your thread.
Well... here you are. Saying nothing right, saying everything wrong, grasping for straws, announcing that what the people once saw... will not be again. The Thalmor will be in Skyrim, no matter how much Ulfric will push to try to get them out, but Ulfric is relatively safe thanks to the Imperial Ulcer. If the Empire is using nothing but local men, Militia, then they don't matter to the Empire. If they did, they'd be Imperial Legion already.
The Civil War could probably last for years, Tullius and Ulfric dying. Skyrim falls into further infighting between the Holds and various claims for the title of High King. Aldmeri Dominion whoop both our asses, until Tamriel is saved by Khajiit.
Tamriel goes from Elven dominance, to mankind, to Khajiit... Then maybe the Argonians.
It could, but it won't. "It could" is just another "What if" afterall, if not more educated.
But, no worries, I caught your sarcasm (or blind hope) noting the Khajiit. What of it, after all? I said that there is no point arguing this issue the moment I returned. The lore will play out how it is, yet you sit here battering a bell that has rung for far too long... and for what? I, of course, answer the call... Not to stop the unending ringing... but to watch it shatter.
And when I returned to this forum... I came not with expectations to change your mind. I was free of the burden that lingers, the burden that there is a chance to persuade and reason. No, rather I came with a fury... I preached the futility of debate, I preached the coming tide of new information, the debauchery that is this thread in its whole.
No, I came not expecting to open any doors... but to watch as fire burns and tears this unending mass asunder. I am here to treat the fires, the hungering flames that rage and clash within our souls and our hearts. I am here... to salt the ashes that stray too far from inferno.
It is with a grin that I embark upon my task, a sacred smile with a gleam of struggle, the gleam of strife, and the purge of all that was once holy. I stand here with shattered water, unfit and unclean, and it shall be spread to condemn all that has been which has lead to this very moment in time. I stand unafraid, no goal nor cause, but conquest without reason. Conquest in the purest of forms, untainted and spoiled by moral dilemma.
You will know my name, you will speak my name, and you shall be humbled in my Magnificence for my name is Ozan. Let loose my title and remind yourself of the splendor granted to me in nine lifetimes. Listen to the name... and be furious. Be skeptical. Be offended, for I stand before you... carried by reckoning and sustained cruelty.
I am Ozan, the Magnificent Bastard... and I have come not to debate what is right or what is wrong... but to cradle your fears and feast upon your very soul.
I am going to hell, and I'm taking you with me.