No I didn't. What you quoted was a general observation about xenophobia, not an observation of Ulfric's racism even if you don't understand the difference.
The argument was whether or not Ulfric was a racist or a xenophobe, not whether or not he was morally righteous.
No the argument was about whether the xenophobia you attribute too Ulfric is distinguishable from racism. As it's been pointed out to you numerous times before the basis for xenophobia can be based partially or purely on race and Ulfric's prejudicial attitudes regarding the Dunmer aren't supported by any game content other than the self-defining criteria of the Dunmer's race which is why you can't point to anything in the game that contradicts that notion.
I disagree. I don't think you observe actual things in the game that support the notion that he's racist, as much as you misunderstand the differences between the terms of "racism"; "xenophobia"; perhaps let's throw "nationalism" in the mix.
You observe that he segregates the Dunmer and only the Dunmer within the gates of Windhelm. You also observe that there are categorically no explanations attributing it to cultural differences. You observe that all other races have cultural differences including the Altmer who have as many if not more differences as the Dunmer but none aren't sujbected to segregation in any form. Throwing the term nationalism into the mix does nothing to address the fact that the treatment of the Dunmer spans half a dozen Nord generations which completely dispels the notion that it's cultural or based on them being foreigners. Those kind of bases by nature don't transcend time which is why you can't find a single real life example of that kind of multi-generational xenophobia which isn't synonymous with racism.
It refutes that there is no other character in the game who can refute the basis on which the Dunmer were "segregated".
No it doesn't. Niranye says nothing to refute the basis for which the Dunmer are segregated.
It also refutes that there is an imaginary "population" of Altmer "in" the city (isn't she the only one "in" the city?).
No she isn't.
You become easily confused.
Someone here is confused but it's not me.
It's much more likely that this segregation existed before he was Jarl...
You're late to the show. This is what all of us have acknowledged throughout these threads even if you're only coming to this realization now. It in no way refutes that he elects to enforce it instead of simply ending the practice which takes no effort at all. The fact that it would be so effortless to do so and that he refuses to do so is indicative that he believes the segregation of the Dunmer is valid.
Unfortunately for the Dunmer, they are the primary Non-nord race
It's telling that you can't explain their segregation without making reference to race.
...and they are also refugees from Morrowind.
So what? Refugee status is only relevant in talking about xenophobia in that it explains the
initial reaction to a large influx of foreigners. It loses it's relevance over time and the Dunmer's refugee status is no longer any more relevant 180 years later in explaining their treatment than the immigration wave of Chinese to America during the Gold Rush is relevant to explaining the attitude of the Aryan Nation regarding Chinese Americans in the U.S. today.
She said "The Dunmer are too proud and naive to see the way things truly are, and so they continue to dwell in that slum."
Which in no way supports the notion that she stated that the Dunmer are responsible for their situation.
Either way, she is THE other elven citizen who potentially falls under "racism" category
She is not the only other Altmer in the city. Also if you're going to take what the game presents to you in terms of the size and composition of the populations of the cities in such a literal fashion instead of acknowledging that it's simply a scaled down representation to render the game playable then, for you, the world of Skyrim is composed of a Stormcloak army and Imperial Legion of less than a hundred each, capital cities populated by only around 5 dozen residents, and a province that is populated by less than a thousand people and is smaller than the island of Manhattan.
...and she describes how she avoided it prejudice..
She does not describe how she avoided
segregation because there is no segregation based on being an outsider. It is applied purely on the basis of race and the that race is Dunmer not Altmer which is why you can't produce a scintilla of game content that refutes that notion.
....and how they did not.
She is not describing anything of the sort.
Whether this is opinion, or intelligent observation on her part is not understood...
..by
you. To anyone that understands what an opinion is it's her opinion. All assertions by a person can be categorized as opinions but some opinions have truth value to them and some do not. For example if I'm of the opinion that the world isn't flat and you won't sale off it's edge and be lost in the nether it's an opinion but it also has truth value to it. An opinion which only talks about the pride and naivety of the Dunmer with nothing else, especially in light of the facts that there are Dunmer that don't convey any such sense of pride or naivety such as Belyn Hlaalu and Suvaris Atheron doesn't give one any basis to attribute much, if any, truth value to that opinion or that the opinion is even about their segregation as opposed to their squalid living conditions within the Gray Quarter.
My argument never mentioned the Aldmeri Dominion. Nords are distrustful of all elven kinds. Which Altmer? Niranye? She was treated with suspicion.
Your argument mentioned suspicion based on being a foreigner. As the Aldmeri Dominion is the place of origin for Altmer it's indicative that the Nords would be far more suspicious of Altmer than Dunmer. As previously noted there's little historical basis for being suspicious of Dunmer as they have never done anything as a race to inspire such distrust unless you consider defending one's home from multiple invasions as a likely basis to distrust them. It's still a far weaker basis to do so compared to a race that originates from a nation state with a ruling class which openly proselytizes racial superiority and the eradication of one of the most highly valued aspects of Nord culture.
Which Altmer? Niranye? She was treated with suspicion.
Again, she's not the only Altmer in the city. Regardless and more importantly Niranye stated the local Nords treat outsiders in general with suspicion without reference to them being of any specific race. No outsiders are segregated because of said suspicion which makes sense because, as pointed out to you before, segregating where outsiders can live while allowing them to otherwise freely roam about the city does nothing to allay such suspicions.
Further the Dunmer aren't outsiders. One cannot intelligently and rationally refer to people who have resided within the city for several generations as outsiders. As such there is no game content which implies or from which one can rationally infer that the Dunmer are being segregated because of suspicions based on their being outsiders. Pointing to Niranye's statements actually undermines that position as it explicitly states that all outsiders are initially treated as suspicious while none are segregated because of such suspicion, not even the Dunmer, whose segregation is based on their race.
..You're right; Tamriel is a planet lolwhut..
Clinging to this one irrelevant mistake on the lore along with your growing proclivity to engage in equally irrelevant ad hominems only illustrates your growing desperation because you have nothing to support your weak positions.
a lot of the other hypocritical speculation
Saying something is hypocritical doesn't magically make it so. The vast majority of what I've presented is simply observation of actual game content without speculation and the complete deconstruction of your conclusions as being devoid of any support from the same.
So, you can observe that as "Yeah, he doesn't care about them" or "Yeah he's a filthy racist for not caring about them" that latter of which is fallacious.
No it isn't. Saying it is doesn't magically make it so.
I already explained why it does.... about twice. This doesn't do away with my premise at all.
No you didn't. You merely illustrated your inability to comprehend that my comments about xenophobia that your relying on were commentary on xenophobia in general and not about the treatment of the Dunmer in Windhelm
He clearly continues the segregation policies but most likely because he doesn't care about the situation. Whereas that depicts racism, it does not make him racist. What can he do to influence the autonomy of his other "racist" citizens?
He doesn't have to influence the "autonomy" of other residents of Windhelm. Their autonomy is irrelevant to whether he grants the Dunmer the same residential rights as every other race in Windhelm. Continuing enforcement of segregation is not a passive act and attributing it to mere apathy is indicative of an inability or unwillingness to recognize that in feudal monarchy a Jarl has to support the law in order to continue enforcing it.
..If you had attended all of my points instead of picking ones you thought you could run-on-sentence away, maybe you would be more inclined to understand the logical basis for my notions.
And what points would those be? The ones that are so relevant that you didn't even bring them up again in your response?
It's simultaneously laughable and pathetic that you would equate attacking your positions as personal attacks while engaging in several actual personal attacks in your response. You still haven't presented any game content that supports your opinion that the xenophobia regarding the Dunmer is anything but race based and you still continue to ignore the game content that's been presented to you that contradicts your beliefs about the same.
