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  1. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    You want to talk about disingenuous? Here is the more complete quote...in context: Skyrim's true power comes from the strength of its High King. The High King is ruler above all, and is always one of the Jarls, selected by a body called the "Moot" - a specially convened council of all the...
  2. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    This is silly. You can't understand what this kind of feudalism means and make such statements. Every high king that ever was in real life feudal societies became King (aside from inheriting the throne) either because they had all the leigemen (the Moot) behind them or enough to beat the rest...
  3. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    I understand that. that's why I characterized him and famous and respected. He still came out on the losing side...practically and historically.
  4. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    Like Jarl Elysif?
  5. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    You need to check your facts...the Empire did side with the Thalmor and did arrest Ulfric. And if Skyrim is Imperial territory then the responsibility for the many deaths at the hands of the Thalmor death squads is indeed on the Empire...and those who support it. In the end it doesn't even...
  6. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    Like Jarl Elysif?
  7. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    First, Ulfric is not without fault. And I never said he was. No human being is and great men tend to have great faults. But he is the man of the hour. Who moreso? who has the vision? the passion? [No one, save maybe the DragonBorn and he goes around bullying anyone and everyone with his...
  8. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    I don't think so...give us some evidence to support that assertion. Interestingly enough, if Ulfric wins , Jarl Elisif is allowed to keep her head and her position. Is there a corresponding act of wisdom and conciliation if the Empire wins?
  9. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    And what authority did they have? King George would have said... did say...none. General Gage and Howe would have said none. The interpretation and speculation is all on your side. And relies entirely on you buying into the Imperioal cause. Never said they weren't...it's a lot like...
  10. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    Igmund is subordinate to the High King. The Lore has it that while each Jarl has some autonomy (predicated mostly on the distances involved and a poor communication network), the High King is the maker of laws and the ultimate authority. If Igmund hadn't consulted with Torygg and gotten his, at...
  11. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    This is what I mean about "thinking about it". In the case of bin laden we don't have a body because someone decided they didn't want a body. It suits Imperial propaganda to suggest that Ulfric shouted Torygg apart. A body might disprove that. As does end game scenes where Ulfric is fighting...
  12. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    According to the Lore, the Empire engineered the Markarth incident. Jarl Igmund says as much. Please read my posts before responding to them...no, I mean actually read them. It wasn't Ulfric's actions that caused any of this. It was oleaginous assurances and the habitual currying of favour...
  13. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    How do we know you're not an NPC? Come on, dude, get real. Put some thought into what you post.
  14. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    What authority did The Founding Fathers have to declare Independence from England? By your standards...none. And you would have plenty of people who agreed with you including one of the most respected and most famous Generals of the time--General Benedict Arnold. But it was done. That...
  15. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    Where's Bin Laden's body? Think about it....
  16. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    Ulfric freely admits to killing Torygg. Where's the lie? Ulfric freely admits he used a shout. Where's the lie? Ulfric freely admits that he used the shout to send a message. Wheres' the lie?
  17. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    You mean Brunwuff? When he's jarl of Windhelm, he does nothing either. Seems like the probelm is something other than the way you portray it. More intractable? The dark elves were invited into Skyrim and Windhelm 150 years ago. From what the Lore suggest, they were ceded the Snow quarter with...
  18. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    That's the only way to actually prove anything--to look at who has a vested interest in "spinning" and what is irrefutable. As I suggested...everything else is trial by innuendo and gossip. Guild by association. Kangaroo court. Mob justice. Not a very honourable way to condemn anyone. But one...
  19. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    You can say it all you like but it doesn't make it true or even verifiable. The Thalmor patrols are arresting people for their religion. They are torturing them and summarily executing them without giving them any recourse to the laws of Skyrim or to real justice. It is all to easy to dismiss...
  20. DWFII

    Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

    That may be true in a technocracy. It is not true...never was...in a quasi-10thcentury feudal system.
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