Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

[Star Gazer]

and Ulfric is siding with them so he doesn't die!

 

[DWFII]

Thats possible, I wouldn't put it past him to do so... I agree with you there

Like Jarl Elysif?

 

[Jeremius]

look at all the Ulfric Supporters (Stormcloaks) she will vote for Ulfric if it keeps her from the Chopping block under independent Skyrim.

 

[Templar of Talos]

Like Jarl Elysif?

Just because he hasn't, doesn't mean to say that he won't. I hope he doesn't TBQH. I hope that if he does become High King, he is a just and fair High King... But what I have seen of his conduct so far leads me to believe that he could be a 'My way or the highway' type of King.

 

[Star Gazer]

Ulfric wouldnt kill innocents. Only the ones who keep him from proceeding. Ulfric would be a fair high king

 

[Flint firestorm]

Also in reality skyrim dosnt stand a chance. Hammer fall might decided to take revenge for previous wars. No one will trade with them and the empire only used one legion to try to stop the rebellion. What happens if they send two or three?

 

[Flint firestorm]

Ulfric wouldnt kill innocents. Only the ones who keep him from proceeding. Ulfric would be a fair high king

And what if innocents stop him from proceeding?

 

[Star Gazer]

then they turn to martyrs, and that gets everyone rattled up. Not even the empire can fight all of skyrim.

 

[DWFII]

repeat after me thal-mor they are the ones arresting people, and they are only doing so because the EMpire would not support the WGC and arrest Ulfric during the Markarth Incident.

You need to check your facts...the Empire did side with the Thalmor and did arrest Ulfric.

And if Skyrim is Imperial territory then the responsibility for the many deaths at the hands of the Thalmor death squads is indeed on the Empire...and those who support it.

In the end it doesn't even make any difference who or how, if the Empire cannot protect the citizens of Skyrim (ostensibly their own citizens) they have no legitimacy.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Star Gazer]

And what if innocents stop him from proceeding?

Then they arent innocent. If they stopped him from proceeding, they are keeping him from freeing the land that was once home to nordic traditions and freedom.

 

[DWFII]

And what if innocents stop him from proceeding?

Like Jarl Elysif?

 

[Templar of Talos]

By Talos' Icy bollocks I REALLY BLOODY WELL HOPE WE GET TO STICK IT TO THE THALMOR ON THE NEXT DLC!!!!

 

[Flint firestorm]

Then they arent innocent. If they stopped him from proceeding, they are keeping him from freeing the land that was once home to nordic traditions and freedom.

Who is he to decide who lives and dies?

 

[Star Gazer]

Think of all the Skyrim civillians under the rule of a corrupt government. They are being treated unfairly.

 

[Star Gazer]

Who is he to decide who lives and dies?

Ulfric wants everyone to live in harmony, with the freedom to worship your own god!

 

[Flint firestorm]

Like Jarl Elysif?

No I mean Torygg. What was his crime?

 

[DWFII]

Well, Benedict Arnold was a staunch supporter of the Revolution. He only switched sides because the Americans screwed him out of some due credit for a few military accomplishments. Just sayin'...

I understand that. that's why I characterized him and famous and respected. He still came out on the losing side...practically and historically.

 

[Star Gazer]

Being a bad high-king

 

[Flint firestorm]

Ulfric wants everyone to live in harmony, with the freedom to worship your own god!

And he will kill any one to achieve this? How's that harmony?

 

[Flint firestorm]

Being a bad high-king

And that deserves death? Will ulfric kill his cooks if their bad?