DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Looks like Ulfric is doing some sucking as well
Looks like Tullius was walking up for a threesome.
Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?
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Looks like Tullius was walking up for a threesome.
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
Suck it. Suck it. Guess that is where Imperial 'Milk-drinkers' comes from aye?
Looks like Ulfric is doing some sucking as well
Looks like Tullius was walking up for a threesome.
Not really... Unless if Tullius wanted to skull plow Ulfrics newly decapitated head.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Looks like Ulfric is doing some sucking as well
Looks like Tullius was walking up for a threesome.
Not really... Unless if Tullius wanted to skull plow Ulfrics newly decapitated head.
Tullius is a strange man.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
They're prisoners, i.e. they're there for actual crimes committed, and Valen Dreth is quite possibly the worst example to use as he's an asshat of the highest order. One can infer from his character that he actually committed crimes that merited his imprisonment for eleven years. Comparing his treatement by the jailer or that of enemies of the state during a time of war to the summary execution of innocent non-combatants including children and the elderly is like comparing apples and cow-patties.
The Elder Council seats were only "bought' during the reign of Pelagius II because of his need to payoff the tremendous debts his father had incurred for the Empire during his reign. While the Elder Council has always been constituted by the wealthy that's merely a reflection of the fact that wealth and power go hand in hand, not that the seats literally go to the highest bidder. Seats are obtained by political intrigue and machinations by the most powerful families in the Empire who happen to be (surprise!) wealthy. Just what exactly are you comparing this too in an unfavorable manner? The fuedal monarchy of Skyrim where each Jarl is Jarl by virtue of lineal descent? At least the Elder Council has some sense of meritocracy in who gets a seat. In Skyrim you get to sit on a throne because you're daddy is the Bear or Istlod.
Eastern Provinces presents one point of view about the benefits of having Morrowind and Argonia as part of the Empire. While it has some valid points, it's a decidedly lopsided view of the situation. The presence of the Imperial Legion in Morrowind isn't for the protection of Morrowind from outside forces. It's presence esablished a concession of a considerable part of the Tribunal's and Morriwind's autonomy under the Armistice. Likewise the protection of the slave trade by the Empire is a concession for Morrowind's voluntary yielding of said portion of autonomy and allegiance to the Empire. The book completely overlooks one of the most important things gained by the terms of the Armistice which is the surrender of Numidium to Tiber Septim which allowed him to finally conquer Summerset Isle and unite all of Tamriel underr the Third Empire. It also fails to recognize the real purpose in securing portions of Argonia (which is all the Empire ever actually controlled) to deprive pirates and raiders of their previous use of the coastal settlements as a reprieve from pursuit by the Imperial Navy and Legions. All in all it's a fairly shallow and narrow minded view as to why the Empire devotes resources to the Eastern Provinces.
This is simply a reference to the fact that Empire had no need to infiltrate the countrysides of Skyrim before the Stormcloak rebellion and but for the Stormcloaks, Lokir would never have been caught up in their trap for Ulfric. Regardless of how he characterizes it, it's literally no proof at all of the Imperial Legion's laziness in carrying out it's duties in Skyrim when examined contextually. It's in fact quite the opposite. When the Imperial Legion actually needs to do something, it does it quite proficiently as Tullius successfully trapped Ulfric.[/quote]
To quote Inigo Montoya, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Having insufficient resources to adequately protect all of its citizenry doesn't equate to being "lazy". Exaclty how was the Septim Dynasty "lazy" prior to the Oblivion Crisis or the Mede Dynasty "lazy" prior to the Great War? As for the Mede Dynasty, the last documented instances of chaos and disorder after the Great War were a decade ago and there's no basis to say how the Imperial Legion is discharging its duties in Cyrodiil or High Rock in 201 and it's addressing its duties in Skyim in defending the local citizenry that are against the Stormcloaks and attempting to put down the rebellion.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Damn it woman, being pro Stormcloak is hard. Is there even one valid, one positive argument in favor of the Stormcloaks?
Cause I got none, unless I do what most of the Stormcloaks tend to say, "Imperial propaganda"
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
Neither of these events fall withing the referenced time frame, i.e. the Mede Dynasty. You were clearly trying to impugn the strength of the Empire during the Mede Dynasty so I'm not sure what you hoped to achieve by making references to things that occured during the Septim Dynasty. Also I'm not sure if you're referring to dialogues in Oblivion regarding Skyrim but the Imperial Legion was having problems in general dealing with the Oblivion Crisis in Tamriel. If that's what you're referring to then implying it was weak because it had problems dealing with the invading hordes of Mehrunes Dagon is setting the bar ridiculously high. By that measure every military force in in the history of Tamriel could probably be measured as weak which pretty much makes the meaningfullness of the adjective non-existent.
By definition a deserter is no longer part of the Legion. We're talking about the Legionnaires as a faction not carrying out their duties. It never happens in the game. They patrol the Holds they control. They meet the Stormcloaks on every front.
The same thing they were doing under the Septim Dynasty. Again, I'm not sure what your point is in even bringing this up. This isn't anything new with regards to faction conflicts within Hammerfell. It's not an occurence unique to the last two centuries. It's been that way for most of the time the province has existed under the control of the Redguards. It speaks to nothing regarding a purported 200 year struggle to recover from the Oblivion Crisis. It was arguably worse during the Septim Dynasty as it did nothing to interfere with the inter-provincial War of Bend'r-Mahk between Skyrim and the Crowns or Cameron Usurper's invasion and occupation of Hammerfell before that.
These numbers have absolutley no basis in fact. Specific numbers as to what constitutes a Legion are pure speculation based on the size of the Roman Legions, which also varied greatly over time. Rather than engage in pointless conjecture about the number of Legionnaires fit for duty let's take a look at what we actually do know which is the relative size of the Imperial Legion after the war. It's really simple, it is literally and substantially less than half the size it was before the Great War while having to cover roughly 70% of the territory it had prior to the Great War. This is assuming that the Legion didn't suffer mass defections/desertions/resignations from it's Redguard Imperial Legionnaires after ceding southern Hammerfell to the Aldmeri Dominion and then subsequently disowning the entire province, which is a highly probable event. On top of all of this in twenty six years reconstituting the Legions would be a slow process because as the qualfied population matured into eligibility, the current Legionnaires (Brina Merilis, Horik Halfhand, etc.) matured into retirement.
Unless you're actually trying to put forth the absurd argument that prior to the Stormcloak Rebellion the Imperial Legion's presence was limited to a handful of Legionnaires these observations are relatively meaningless. It's not what the civil war is draining in resources and manpower from outside the province, it's what it's draining from within. There is a signficant pre-existing legion presence in Skyrim. While the majority of the Legions are outside of Skyrim, the notion that the Legions in Skyrim would be reinforced locally in no way diminishes the fact that there were already Legions in the province prior to the Stormcloak Rebellion which is why every Legionnaire you question points out that the Legions have always been in Skyrim. The frequency of the dialogues regarding recent recruitment are there to remind the player that it's a civil war and not a war between an occupying force of imperialism (pun intended) and the native population (not withstanding the often ignorant assumption made by some players to that effect). It's not evidence that the Imperial Legions in Skyrim are mostly recent local recruits and, even if it were, it still stands for the notion that these are soldiers dying in a conflict that only weakens the resource pool that would otherwise strengthen the Imperial Legion in a potential renewed miltiary conflict with the Aldmeri Dominion. Every resource drained in Skyrim during the civil war be it a population base for recruitment into the Legion slain or maimed on either side, or food, infrastructure and other materials is a drain on the resources for any renewed conflict with the Aldmeri Dominion. These are simply matters of fact and, as such, are beyond contestation.
Cicero's last coherent thought regarding Cyrodiil was over a decade ago.
Being an ex Legionnaire doesn't make him less random. He's no more qualified as a mouthpiece for the Empire than Timothy McVeigh was for the United States just because he served in the army.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Well I don't have anything else, I'm no good as a Pro Stormcloak. I failed in the bet
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
The Emperors throne room in Skyrim. Bitch please you call that a throne?
THIS IS A THRONE ROOM
And this is what a real throne is suppose to look like.
Now bow down to your Emperor.
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
You know when you start looking like this:
It becomes blatantly obvious that you shouldn't take orders from either Imperials nor from the Stormcloaks regardless what the lore says about them. Instead of being their errands boy... they should be serving you, as Dragonborn.
It becomes blatantly obvious that you shouldn't take orders from either Imperials nor from the Stormcloaks regardless what the lore says about them. Instead of being their errands boy... they should be serving you, as Dragonborn.
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
Lord Zedd is the true Emperor
I'm joining forces with evil and taking down both The fake Empire and the Stormcloaks. First Tamriel and then the rest of the planet Nirn!
Wolf-Runner-Bosmer
Member
I'm pretty sure that I do these little raids in the reach just to be part of the rebellion. It's just too fun.
Jader
The Mystic Marksman
I'm sure I've seen trolls more attractive then those two elven "women"Well first of all, no one can top the Thalmor in style...
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
Well first of all, no one can top the Thalmor in style...
The high elf on the far left looks like the Red Queen
NENALATA
Last King of the Ayleids - RETIRED
I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims.
The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake.
Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.
Stand with us.
Mr Forz
I'm helping. Mostly.
That's quite the dilemma actually. I... have the same problem. I wouldn't have minded if I was considered 'outside help' rather than soldier. If I don't end the Civil War very early I wouldn't bear doing it on later levels especially when mage and dressed to impress.
PS: Vampiric High-five!
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
Can I get back to hating the Imperials and the Empire DrunkenMage ?
If so I'm starting up my hatred for the Empire
screenshot done by Moris
The Imperials forces this poor prisoner to become a city guard after attempting to escape from their custody. Now that's just cruel.
The Imperials are a brute force indeed.
If so I'm starting up my hatred for the Empire
screenshot done by Moris
The Imperials forces this poor prisoner to become a city guard after attempting to escape from their custody. Now that's just cruel.
The Imperials are a brute force indeed.
