DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
That is just your opinion Drunkenmage. It isn't facts. Ulfric is not a violent kind of man. He is driven to commit violent acts for the purpose to protect his homeland against a dying Empire... an Empire that essentially sold Skyrim out to the Dominion by allowing them to have anti-Talos patrols on the roads to root out Talos worshipers because of the WGC.
He isn't? And yet he wages war, he toys with Tullius' life to draw out the "dramatic moment". Violence is what he knows best.
"There is no progress without sacrifice. No wheat without threshing the chaff." - Ulfric about his people dying.
"Peace? When has any Nord ever known peace? Skyrim breeds warriors. It's who we are, it's in our blood."
No one forces Ulfric to do things but Ulfric. Aren't you Stormcloaks claiming to be these "True Nords" who never back down, worthy of the old Nords? Hm, I guess those boasts are hollow as violence was accepted and expected.
Galmar: "Balgruuf won't give us a straight answer."
Ulfric: "He's a true Nord. He'll come around."
Galmar: "Don't be so sure of that. We've intercepted couriers from Solitude. The Empire's putting a great deal of pressure on Whiterun."
Ulfric: "And what would you have me do?"
Galmar: "If he's not with us, he's against us."
Ulfric: "He knows that. They all know that."
Galmar: "How long are you going to wait?"
Ulfric: "You think I need to send Balgruuf a stronger message."
Galmar: "If by message you mean shoving a sword through his gullet."
Ulfric: "Taking his city and leaving him in disgrace would make a more powerful statement, don't you think?"
Galmar: "So we're ready to start this war in earnest then?"
Ulfric: "Soon."
Galmar: "I still say you should take them all out like you did Deadking Torygg."
Ulfric: "Torygg was merely a message to the other Jarls. Whoever we replace them with will need the support of our armies."
Galmar: "We're ready when you are."
Ulfric: "Things hinge on Whiterun. If we can take the city without bloodshed all the better. But if not..."
Galmar: "The people are behind you."
Ulfric: "Many I fear still need convincing."
Galmar: "Then let them die with their false kings."
Ulfric: "We've been soldiers a long time. We know the price of freedom. The people are still weighing things in their hearts."
Galmar: "What's left of Skyrim to wager?"
Ulfric: "They have families to think of."
Galmar: "How many of their sons and daughters follow your banner? We are their families."
Ulfric: "Well put, friend. Tell me, Galmar, why do you fight for me?"
Galmar: "I'd follow you into the depths of Oblivion, you know that."
Ulfric: "Yes, but why do you fight? If not for me, what then?"
Galmar: "I'll die before elves dictate the fates of men. Are we not one in this?"
Ulfric: "I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil. I fight for their wives and children, who's [sic] names I heard whispered in their last breaths. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing. I fight... because I must."
Galmar: "Your words give voice to what we all feel, Ulfric. And that's why you will be High King. But the day words are enough, will be the day when soldiers like us are no longer needed."
Ulfric: "I would gladly retire from the world were such a day to dawn."
Galmar: "Aye. But in the meantime, we have a war to plan."
Ulfric is playing that scene out. He knew Balgruuf wouldn't join him, the whole thing is a farce. He's not convinced about Balgruuf coming around, http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000e1af8
He he plays along the rest of the scene, seeing if Galmar gives him the responses he wants.
http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000e1aff
The man is an egomaniac.
Ulfric didn't wanted to invade Whiterun, but was obligated to do it to gain more power in Skyrim over the Imperial legion as they were eying on Whiterun themselves. Do you not see how upset the man became when you return with his axe? The pure disappointment of finding out that Jarl Balgruuf sided with the Imperial legion.
Ulfric wanted Whiterun one way or another, it makes no difference. He wants to become the High King. The violence is what he knows, and completely comfortable with. Ulfric got all upset? He was angry, cause to refuse his claim is to be the Legion.
Ulfric was eying Whiterun before the Imperials were, him eying Whiterun and positioning was what caught the attention of the Legion. He was bringing up an army.
Once you return to the Palace of Kings along with Ulfric's axe, he will exclaim: "Then I was wrong about him." Ulfric will then begin to discuss an attack on Whiterun with Galmar:
Ulfric isn't an idiot, nor is he this peace loving, forced to be rebel. He is a skilled politician, and he is indeed a man who knows only violence. "With us or against us"
Stop taking his word at face value, everything Ulfric does has it's purpose. He isn't stupid, especially not stupid enough to actually believe that Balgruuf would accept his claim when threatened. Two of his own Jarls aren't even that dumb, nor is Ralof who hears things he doesn't like about Ulfric.
I honestly don't know how to really answer to that one. Seriously Drunkenmage. You need to stop pulling on my leg. I don't know if you're being serious with me, or trolling me. either way I will end it off by saying that Skyrim needs a strong ruler right now... a Ruler that will fight to protect her people, especially when the Great war v2.0 is not that far off, and with Skyrim in the crosshairs of the Thalmor swords are completely necessary to help protect those who can provide food, heal the sick, plant crops and help rebuilds shattered lives.
The Great War will be fought in the south, so you believe Skyrim needs to be ruled by the strong. Yet those strong will leave for war, and thus abandon Skyrim anyway.
You Stormcloaks have been constantly telling me that no Thalmor army can reach Skyrim, yet these swords are needed to protect you from the Thalmor?
Protect those people or to force them? A sword does not help.
You're becoming like Galmar now "Skyrim must be ruled by the strong" What is real strength? Fighting someone weaker than you, knowing you're sure to win? That is not strength, but slaughter.
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