Probably ran off to prepare to bust Ulfric free, as implied with their documents you find in their embassy.
Doorman couldn't kill someone by shouting, or send masses flying off city walls.
True, but I still think Ulfric deserved a bit of a trial before killing him off. Even if its just for show.
Everyone tries to control someone else. That's why there is Islam in Europe, Christianity in Scandinavia, and Judaism in Israel.
I never claim to be always right, I make mistakes all the time. Everyone else seems to take my word for gospel, and try make out I know everything. Never once claimed I do, nor do I promote such.
Clearly, you need to get over it.
Then maybe you should note disclaimers. Another Imperial backer in this thread quoted you by name, though the quote itself was relatively vague.
However, I do retract my statement with a minor apology. It's not you who claims you are right, no. Rather, the abundance of which you claim. All this time to pass, and here you are, commenting more than anyone else (Raijin included). It isn't hard to think that someone defending a position so fervently would know what he's talking about, thus an illusion of abundant knowledge is made through an ironic ignorance, be the ignorance concerning the side you defend, the reason you defend, or you yourself. Just something to think about.
What if a religion allows murder, is that not oppressive of their religious beliefs? What if violence is accepted and indeed encouraged by a religion, and laws oppress that.
Is there truly freedom of anything except dying?
Does Worshiping Talos condone murder? If you murder someone in Stormcloak Riften, is it still not a crime?
You know, I agree with this short statement. Relatively off topic, but in a sense we are all heretics or heathens to someone.
Well, that's no fun. :c
He wasn't even worshiped much until Warp in the West. Was still Eight Divines in Daggerfall's time.
I'll admit, I didn't know too much about this (but I haven't played ES Classic, much).
Did people not fight for their beliefs during the Great War? Not fight for their homes or families?
Just because the White-Gold Concordat was signed, doesn't mean they fought and died for nothing. Made a stand for their way of life, and had to make changes after nearly being destroyed.
Not that I should help mention this, but you could also cite the resistance in Cyrodiil during the occupation. It was referenced in-game during the Dark Brotherhood Wedding Murder Quest.
Ignoring that, I don't know if they fought and died for nothing... Just they fought and died for not as much as they did.
Ulfric's had years, maybe twenty or at least ten. Doubt he was in jail for decades.
Gotta wonder what was happening during this time. If absolutely nothing, (which, admittedly, is easier to believe than any theory we can coin up), then maybe hate and anger was just bubbling and was held. It also wouldn't hurt to mention that Islod probably did a good job as High King, so he wouldn't have gotten much support anyways.
So, maybe he was just waiting, as boring as that is.
They're still largely independent, they swear fealty to Skyrim's High King. Did Ulfric need Istlod or Torygg to help he and his father rule Eastmarch?
Fair enough. Still, they could always make appeals, not that there would be much they could appeal for. And, as always, part of their taxes would go to Solitude, being part of that fealty of course.
Besides political matters, Skyrim generally runs itself. Maybe you settle a matter between two Jarls, but I doubt there is much more too it. Unless you're the High King's of Old leading wars and conquests, then your reign is near Torygg's length.
How long did Torygg rule, exactly?
Better to be Emperor than High King, however they're both dying quickly.
Aren't politics fun?
Why? They're only recently stirring up problems in Skyrim majorly, the Empire wouldn't recall it's Legions to the Dominion's border if they couldn't threaten them. Imperials rarely bluff in those situations, and with dialogue pointing towards another war.
Exactly. The men are locally recruited and trained (though there are some Imperials in the legion, but I think they joined SPECIFICALLY from Cyrodiil to help the Empire). Thus, all the men who are fighting now are fighting as soldiers who wouldn't be part of the initial legions. So in a way, the trouble the Aldmeri Dominion are stirring isn't too significant at all.
The Empire hadn't surrendered in two eras, they've lost a couple of times, or have survived at a high price.
Against who?
I accept he is a God, as do many within the Empire still do. If he truly is the God of Mankind and the greatest hero of the Empire, he can take a hit for the team while the Empire rebuilds.
If I recall, Talos wasn't exactly the kindest of Conqueror Kings. Infact, he was sort of a douchebag. Skyrim doesn't seem to have a lot of science. So, whenever something happens they blame magic or themselves for angering the gods. Why'd the dragons come back. CLEARLY because we stopped worshipping Talos, of course.
I don't buy into it, but a lot of people (in Skyrim) would and do. Gods don't take hits, they take offense.
The main Aldmeri Army in Cyrodiil was defeated, we have a second main army controlling southern Hammerfell and perhaps some Aldmeri forces still within Cyrodiil/borders of Valenwood.
You claim he didn't have to give into the demands, but the Imperial Army was extremely weakened and was unable to even keep order in the years of peace that followed.
Say the Imperials said no to peace, Southern Hammerfell is occupied so soldiers need to go there and you leave Cyrodiil still weak. Now while your forces fight in Hammerfell, we'd see the border skirmishes we saw during the Tiber Wars. The Empire was running out of time, the Aldmeri could sustain war for at least five more years.
Take into account the bandits, the fallen cities which have lost all form of law and order, Skyrim lost Markarth with no one to take it back (Ulfric being in Cyrodiil or Hammerfell with the war still on).
You have that smaller secondary Aldmeri force still within Cyrodiil somewhere. Cyrodiil is in ruins, the farms left abandoned. Wayrest gets sacked and captured by pirates.
If I recall, doesn't the Aldmeri Dominion eventually give in to the Redguard with the Second Treaty of Stros M'kai? We don't know what military engagements the Aldmeri had to deal with, apart with Hammerfell. But, if they were able to beat them out, then that means something was up. They know how to play they cards, they know how to bluff, how to maintain a cool complexion when their hair is on fire. Their greatest advantage against the Empire is that the Empire doesn't know plops about the Aldmeri. All we know is what they had and what wasn't reinforced. After the Imperial City was retaken, there were no reports of more troops crossing the borders.
Maybe that victory put them on the defensive. *shrug*
How can we learn if we don't take all things into account?
Every action has a reaction. Hypothetical reasoning is difficult to manage.
Tullius catching on to their plans? Logical speculation, the Thalmor do have assets of other races, even Nords. It screams a little more than coincidence, doubt Ulfric is sensing danger through the force.
Or luck. Some people are just unfortunately lucky, look at the many assassination attempts on Hitler.
Tullius is spending Hold funds on the war, even taxing ships. The Stormcloaks aren't exactly charging for their services, and Ulfric is Jarl of a city with two shipping companies.
Don't forget to mention that one of those Shipping Companies belongs to the Empire.
Oh no, their problems will probably last years. Skyrim doesn't remain united for very long.
When placing your on guy on the Jarl's throne, you're bound to have some support.
So you say they could have. You can win the battle, but still lose the war. Judging by the issues that rose during peace time, the Empire was in bad shape for years.
What was there to fight at the truce? Doubt the Empire would have lasted long if they waited. Doubt the Aldmeri would have accepted anything unless Talos was banned, and they already controlled Southern Hammerfell, the Blades were basically wiped out anyway.
Not asking them to win the war, asking for a White Peace, where its a relative draw, would suffice enough.
He is wounded and bleeding on the floor.
Not at the beginning. Rikke says he wants to surrender and that she still wants to fight. Tullius joins her, but probably because his Strategist Mind comes to the conclusion that 3vs2 is better than 3vs1. Then, he falls over saying he's not the enemy and is reminded that he isn't the good guy, either.
Truthfully, I think Ulfric should have spared Tullius. Sent him back with a demand of recognized sovereignty. It'd also help the Empire with their next war (assuming it comes in this lifetime) so Ulfric won't have to worry about Aldmeri looking at their borders. But, as we already know, he doesn't have a strategist's mind. He's rash, impulsive, and aims for a better story.
Makes you wonder when fighting in the Civil War, why in the sieges gates are unlocked.
Probably for mechanics reasons. Whiterun was the only city to have a defensive position, which was a drawgate. Unfortunately, that was easy to open. If they wanted to COMPLETELY recreate a medieval siege situation, the walls would have been taller, the population of the soldiers would have been more plentiful, the siege equipment would have been closer, and the Stormcloaks would have had a battering ram to follow. Or mages to explode the doors open or something.
Why not? Isn't the first time the Thu'um has smashed open gates during a siege. Hardly a stupid point. Even if he didn't smash open the gates with a shout, he was sending the defenders flying from the walls, could easily bring up a ram.
People aren't bolted to the walls and the doors weigh tons rather than pounds. Fus Ro Dah is useful, but only against human opponents.
Not at all, I don't know everything there is. Hell, I found a Dwemer ruin I never knew about recently... So.
More often curious.
Fair enough. I recall the voice actor but I can't remember which actual character it was.
Galmar is placed in charge of half of Skyrim...
I doubt that half is the one with Windhelm in it. I also don't think he'd have much control over the half he controls, not with the Jarls being placed on thrones. Its more a reminder of what side they're on, I'd imagine.
Not at all, while I do dislike the Dunmer, two wrongs don't make a right.
Wait, wait, wait. How can you dislike Dunmer? They're the only Elves that are tolerable.
He doesn't, but a large number of his supporters are against outsiders, but he has guards who would see these things.
The guard can be easily corrupted anywhere. If they agree with the agitations, then they'd hardly report it. Its not worthwhile, especially with a killer on the loose targeting NORD women. Nord Women have priority over what Galmar's Brother is doing, usually while drunk.
Not at all, but I would expect him to know how the more known members of his cities behave, he has some informants, and city guards.
The idiot Jarl of Falkreath knows how one of his citizens feel about the Stormcloaks. Ulfric doesn't know how his best friends brother is?
He doesn't have to know, as Galmar's brother is a loyal member of the Stormcloaks. Its not a threat to Ulfric or his rule.
Yes, kick out the EETC. I'm sure that will work out well.
They're headquarters in Skyrim is Solitude, the Imperial Hub. The EETC would be funding the enemy war effort.
Or maybe Legion armor is good to use? I wouldn't trust the EETC either, they're like the Weyland-Yutani of Tamriel.
Back in Morrowind, the EETC didn't always equip their fighters in Imperial Armor. Its reliable, don't get me wrong, and I feel rather attractive to some, it just isn't good for business unless you have a little marking saying "Hey, I'm not with the Legion, this is EETC stuff right here".
Maybe Imperials are meant to win then.
Nonsense, no one is meant to win.
Least Motierre was smart enough to send a double to reward you. Maybe he will do the Empire good.
He was a double?
Stormcloaks support a pre-Treaty Empire. So if you only hate the Empire for their actions of the last twenty six years, then you're good.
Wait, so I can't hate both?
Oh please, everything you do is a grasp. "Well uh spain!" "President this!" "Ottomans!" How about you actually stick to TES? It isn't that fluffing hard, there isn't this lacking of valid points against the Empire, they've been in every single game.
I don't need to make the game, to understand why we don't know every single detail. You want to call out my posts as a straw grasp, but you're here preaching the Jarls are peasants because we don't know every single past ruler by name.
See, I'm starting to suspect you dislike Spain.
Strangely enough, the examples you've provided weren't mentioned too much. You should have said "Well, uh, Romans!" and "But, Caesar!" as I've referenced them the most. Pretty sure that when I mentioned Spain, it was in the same post as the Ottomans.
Ignoring that, I feel its good to reference historical figures more than the actual nations they were a part of. Afterall, its what they did as an individual that lead their nations and what was often overlooked. See a similarity, point it out.
Ignoring that, I still call shenanigans on Jarls. In the grand scope of things, they aren't as important as Emperors or High Kings. They're local monarchs, but any say they have in something the Empire dictates is moot.
There is no neutrality. You're either a Stormcloak, or a traitor.
Maybe that's to deter Jarls from doing their own thing. *shrug*
They sent the Imperial Legion? No, they sent Tullius. Pretty sure? Then why does Elisif's steward leave her fate undecided?
She may be Queen, she may not.
Pretty sure I've mentioned before that they sent Tullius her way. An army a sheep lead by a lion is more dangerous than an army of lions lead by a sheep.
So, then do you think that without Tullius in Solitude Ulfric would still lose?
Majority of what they do is still in the shadows. No, they can't walk around with a sign over their heads.
Might as well. You run into a LOT of them, most of the time they aren't even looking for you.
They won't ignore Skyrim. The Empire wouldn't really be on their feet if Skyrim breaks away, cutting off High Rock. Taking two thirds of resources that can be used for the war, good soldiers and leaders lost on both sides.
You said Hammerfell is still friendly with the Imperials. Why can't they go through there? Skyrim isn't that important.
I honestly do not care what people think, obviously it is something that upsets you Stormcloaks. Because you lot keep bringing up "This is supposed to be your thread" "Aren't you supposed to be the lore master?"
I'll say it again, get the over what people say. I never claim to be 100% right, you can take what I say or disagree.
Oh, that modesty. Again, with someone who has been defending this side for so long (I even had to take breaks now and then with real life), its hard not to see your overall interest in this thread. Didn't think I'd enter this thread, call it pointless, and not end up debating you for some random reason.
I can argue for the Stormcloaks, just as easily as I would the Empire. I'm not that biased.
I'm tired of this debate... You're a good debater, and I can't be bothered anymore. So you win, I'm out of arguments. I'm done with it.
Nonsense, I'm not in this for the debate. I'm not even in this for the Stormcloaks.
I'm in it, simply to be in it.
Besides, you can't just leave the thread, never to respond again. There are many things you see and disagree with. Afterall, I had a nice short vacation before coming back and I saw you made a response or two after this post. I suspect you're not in this for the debate either, nor for the Imperials at this point. Just like me, you're in it... because you're in it.
What a blessed eternity, eh, Dear Mage?