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Errmmm
Doesn't it say it was the Nord Shield Wall that came down from Skyrim which won the Battle of Red Ring?
No? Perhaps you could show us where.
"While the Eighth Legion fought a desperate (and doomed) rearguard action on the walls of the city, Titus II broke out of the city to the north with his main army, smashing through the surrounding the Aldmeri
[sic] forces and linking up with reinforcements marching south from Skyrim under General Jonna."
"The second army, largely of
Nord legions under General Jonna, took up position near Cheydinhal"
"An attempt by the Aldmeri to break out of the city to the south was blocked by the unbreakable shieldwall of General Jonna's battered legions."
General Jonna STOPPED the Aldmeri Army in IC from being reinforced from the South, STOPPED the Aldmeri in the city from retreating/regrouping which enabled the Emperor to win the city.
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Furthermore, in general, Orcs and Nords are 'fighters'. Look at their racial make-up in the game. lol According to what I'm reading on here, everyone is the same and this is very wrong.
No one is the 'same' but people aren't one thing due to their race. What is being said, if you are indeed reading it. Is that races aren't limited to one set task. In general in-game yes, they're fighters suited for one general things. Lore wise, Nords have been extremely powerful in other aspects. Such as legendary Archmages, to being an Imperial Battlemage to an Empress.
There was a Nord enchanter who far surpassed elves.
Dunmer aren't all assassins. There was a 4000 year old Dunmer Master Wizard. He didn't look to be an assassin to me. The point of what I was saying, is that all races can do everything. Just because you're born a Nord, doesn't make you the best fighter there is. Take a good look at lore and in-game NPCs, you come across Nords who couldn't fight to save their lives. Training and experience make someone skilled in something, not birth.
Well, yeah however it's like everywhere I go, I keep hearing this stuff over and over again how there are no differences between folks and we're all the same... blah blah blah. Which isn't true. I don't mean like being 'better' than someone, I'm talking about common sense. Yes, a Khajit could be a really powerful Warrior however in that book which talks about their victory against the Wood Elves, the Khajit told their Nords advisors to go home because what worked for the Nords (ie Heavy Armor and Weapons) was totally inappropriate for use by the Khajit. Because they were cats, they were not Nords.
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True, like all Orcs aren't fighters, there's Medicine Women, there's the ahhh well most of them are Smiths actually... but in general most of them are Warriors, that's why there were transformed into Orcs because Orcs revere Malacath. Malacath WAS a Warrior God. Therefore, City Orcs are looked down on because they don't honor the code of Malacath, (They're creator) to the extent that Orcs in their cities do. This doesn't mean an Imperial couldn't honor Malacath, however an Imperial is not an Orc.
There have been Orc Mages, there is one in Winterhold who's been around since the Second Era. Not every Orc is a full warrior.
Right. But what is a "Full Warrior"?
They're God is a Warrior, majority of them revere him so all those True Orcs who follow Malacath are Warriors to some degree. You cannot follow Malacath and not at least understand what it means to be a warrior, because he is. Although his followers are technically Outcasts but he is a Warrior Demi-God. And his Code, which again, is a cultural thing but his Code is very reminiscent of militaristic standards. Like a Warrior's Code.
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As for the other Elves, Thalmor and Bretons are not just good Mages but they're the best in Tamriel because Magic is in their blood.
But lore wise, not in-game wise. You have to learn how to tap into your magicka to cast spells, then you need training and spend years and years mastering it. You're not the top wizard on the block at the age of five and only know how to make a spark.
The game is based on lore.
You can't separate them because I'm drawing generalizations ~ Not talking stats which very per game. No where in here did I imply that an adolescent person was auto super skilled and all powerful. (If you are indeed reading this) Basically what I am saying is that when you have races Descended from Aedra or (basically Gods by any other name), their genetic makeup brings the magic to them, it's in their blood. See? Having Magic ability and being skilled is completely separate things. However, I'm of errmmm Nordic/Germanic descent. So I can withstand the cold. I LOVE Cold Weather baby yeaahhh!!! See what I mean? It's the same with the Elves or whoever. Whether they're smart and choose to benefit from their gifts is on them. However, they have them regardless. For example, I have an African friend of mine... who DOES NOT like the cold. At all. He's miserable. He might could FORCE himself to tolerate it, however he'll most likely never be accustomed to it like me. He is tall and can play basketball well. I am not as tall and though I could become good at ~ There are limits to the game that I will NEVER be able to break because I do not have his height. Anyone whose played sports knows exactly what I'm talking about.
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The game itself Oblivion & Skyrim at least confirms this. Although I'm sure there are other good Mages, but not like the Altmer or the Ayleids who practically wrote the book on Magic. Of course, Frathen Drathon was pretty good in Oblivion but he was privileged and had to work harder at it I'm sure.
Actually there was a Nord who bested all elves in the magical art of enchanting. Now he, wrote the book on enchanting. He took their book, threw it out the window.
Not all Altmer are Mages. Not all Altmer can be Mages, it takes training and constant practice.
Yes because it takes work on the part of the individual to train. However, every Altmer has GREATER potential to excel at Magic because of their heritage. And you know, you don't even have to Master it. You could be like a... Nightblade or Spellsword. And once that ability is unlocked, just like sports, on avg the Altmer can hold a Ward for significantly longer amount of time than say an Imperial on the same skill lvl.
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Their racial profiles were generated by the game makers themselves.
So was the lore.
Yep
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I mean, anyone can do anything. I had a Redguard Mage one time. He wasn't bad. But he was Tier 1 next to my Altmer Mage who was Tier 3 and able to cast strong spells from the start of the game.
If you know how to play the game, any character can be just as powerful.
Not necessarily and I'm going to show you why. Alright. So... let's take a Breton. Any Breton Mage. Now, the Breton Mage has the unique ability to Absorb Magicka Dmg for 60secs. The Atronach sign provides 50% Mag Res. This makes the BRETON the ONLY race in Skyrim that has the potential to be immune to Magicka for a short time, but that does not matter because this is a feat that no other race can possibly reach. Unless you can enchant absorb magicka which I don't think is even possible. Magic Res yes, but that's diff and it's also capped at 85%.
However this example is platform specific and is crude in that respect. Probably the best example is the Argonian.
Argonians in Oblivion and Skyrim can breather underwater. This is because of their unique physiology. Now, you might be able to wear something that grants water breathing but that is an item. No other race can breathe Underwater by enhancing their physiology.
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Furthermore, Bretons Race was Engineered to be the ultimate Mage Warrior ie... Battlemage. They were Engineered by the Altmer who lived in Highrock ie Direeni.
In-game they're great Battlemages. Lore wise, not many of them. Imperials Eastern Cyrodiil were some of the first Battlemages, which is how the Legions were formed. From Colovian soldiers to the Battlemages of the Nibenese.
You can't decide battles based on race. Which is what I was saying. If you have an Altmer soldier, who's never studied magic, has no idea on how to safely cast a spell without killing himself and his fellow soldiers around him. Are you going to task him with fighting with magic, cause he's an Altmer?
No you can't decide for people what their occupation in life will be. Well, unless you believe in Communism... Hahaha... Anyways.
They don't all have to be skilled at Magic to have the potential. Neither of us can argue for what choices people make. Here's another example:
Probably the best of all IMHO...
Passionate, eccentric, poetic, flamboyant, intelligent, willful, and excellent cooks, the Bretons feel an inborn, instinctive bond with the mercurial forces of magic and the supernatural world. Many great sorcerers have come out of their home province of High Rock, and in addition to their quick and perceptive grasp of
spellcraft,
enchantment, and
alchemy, even the humblest and least prominent Breton can boast a high resistance to destructive and dominating magical attacks they encounter.
You guys are welcome to try to argue about that coming from a Wiki but doesn't matter because the fact the Bretons have PASSIVE MAGIC RESISTANCE is based on lore and is an quality that does NOT require Skill. virtually all of them have it by birth. Hahaha Even 5 yr olds have the Magic Resistance. It's in their blood, it's unique to them. Imperial 5 yr old don't have this resistance. It's not something they can learn until they're older.
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So you could have an Imperial who wants to be a Mage and there's nothing wrong with that, however an Altmer or Breton mage might have more success due to their RACIAL affinity towards Magic in general. This does not make all Altmer Mages or Bretons Mages but it is a strength of their race over other races and is not something that should be ignored.
No one is ignoring natural racial births. But lore wise, not every Breton can cast a spell. You don't plan something cause of race, "Bretons Battlemage duty" "Dunmer, you go assassinate this person" that is rather stupid. One can't ignore experience and skill. I'd take a Nord Mage who's practiced for decades, over an Altmer who's studied Magic for a day.
Ok
Imperials and Bretons are not the same just because they're both into Magic. You could enchant some armor and FORCE them to look them same, however under a microscope you have two completely different critters.
No one is saying every race is the same in that aspect. I'm saying every race is the same in that they can do different things. Not every Breton is a Master Wizard, not every Imperial is a General and not every Nord is a two handed, super ownage berserker.
Lifestyle and training. To be honest, I can't even believe this had needed to be even discussed.
"He's assassin cause he's Dunmer" that is like saying "He's math genius, cause he's Asian."
This is speculation however ~ When I was in the military, I had this weird little Chinese dude who was in my outfit. Ok, this guy would tell us stories about how SERIOUSLY Asian parents take Math. And thus, their children, thus it's a part of the CULTURE. Understand? Race can mean anything but when you have a culture of excellence in math, then you can safely reach a conclusion that a very large percentage of that culture group will be good at math.
This is also why the Ayleids and Altmer are so good at magic, it's part of their culture. Part of their history and one main reason why they gave the Empire such a fit during the Great War.
Which is why the Nord Stormcloaks are so angry. They would rather save their culture than save a loose cooperation with the Empire. And as a Thalmor, I don't necessarily blame them for this because if you CANNOT or REFUSE to accept my tradition(s) and culture then how can we have a fruitful cooperation? Because I have to honor your culture but you for some reason can dishonor mine and everything is just fine... esp when you need me much more than I need you.