Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

[Raijin]

The future of Imperial city.

Let Coldharbour remake Nirn in its own image! God of Schemes, we offer this victim to you! Through the power of innocent blood, bring forth your anchor and let two worlds become one! Bind this world with your chains! Draw it ever closer to your realm!

"I will dominate this world, and all others in time. The strong should always command the weak." -Molag Bal

 

[Ivory]

The future of Imperial city.

Let Coldharbour remake Nirn in its own image! God of Schemes, we offer this victim to you! Through the power of innocent blood, bring forth your anchor and let two worlds become one! Bind this world with your chains! Draw it ever closer to your realm!

"I will dominate this world, and all others in time. The strong should always command the weak." -Molag Bal

And then a Vampire of Lamae Bal will come in after being murdered by Mannimarco for Bal, Unite the three factions temporarily to take the fight to Molag Bal, and wipe out the machines Bal uses to throw those chains upon Nirn, Unite the 5 Companions, taking Mannimarco's seat, proceed to wipe his ass out and then do the same to Molag Bal himself with the will of the Divine power of Akatosh and support of Meridia.



NEXT.

 

[LegateFasendil]

The future of Imperial city.

Let Coldharbour remake Nirn in its own image! God of Schemes, we offer this victim to you! Through the power of innocent blood, bring forth your anchor and let two worlds become one! Bind this world with your chains! Draw it ever closer to your realm!

"I will dominate this world, and all others in time. The strong should always command the weak." -Molag Bal

Don't you mean the past? Waa-Waa

 

[Raijin]

Don't you mean the past? Wa-Wa-Wa

It will happen again. Just give it time.

 

[LegateFasendil]

Don't you mean the past? Wa-Wa-Wa

It will happen again. Just give it time.

"All of this has happened before all of it will happen again", eh Raijin? Let me know when the Cylons show up. Wait... that would be the Dwemer and they're already dead. Damn dude.

 

[Raijin]

Don't you mean the past? Wa-Wa-Wa

It will happen again. Just give it time.

"All of this has happened before all of it will happen again", eh Raijin? Let me know when the Cylons show up. Wait... that would be the Dwemer and they're already dead. Damn dude.

The Dwemer aren't dead! They just disappeared.

 

[Jeremius]

It will happen again. Just give it time.

"All of this has happened before all of it will happen again", eh Raijin? Let me know when the Cylons show up. Wait... that would be the Dwemer and they're already dead. Damn dude.

The Dwemer aren't dead! They just disappeared.

They are magically dead. They likely turned into numidians (how do spell that word?).

 

[Ozan]

"All of this has happened before all of it will happen again", eh Raijin? Let me know when the Cylons show up. Wait... that would be the Dwemer and they're already dead. Damn dude.

The Dwemer aren't dead! They just disappeared.

They are magically dead. They likely turned into numidians (how do spell that word?).

Numidians? From Numidia? Didn't the Romans kill them?

 

[Jeremius]

The Dwemer aren't dead! They just disappeared.

They are magically dead. They likely turned into numidians (how do spell that word?).

Numidians? From Numidia? Didn't the Romans kill them?

The robots like the one Tiber Septim/Talos used to crush the first Aldmeri Dominion (as in the god the Stormcloaks love so much).

 

[Ozan]

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Numidium

There ya go.

 

[LegateFasendil]

I disagree with you Ozan, nice try to categorize this topic as useless debate? Ive not read 900 pages myself but from what I can gather is its not harmful and freedom of speech 4 every1 involed. Who cares how long its pages 10 or 1000 - Debate is creative and most ppl dont live in a world of right or wrong. I'm pretty sure they are going into depth about elder scrolls lore and stormcloak vs imperials in this case, is a big debate. Though not participating myself - This thread is not futile in the slightest and I encourage those who have unfinished debate to continue despite Ozan's own futile attempt to try and conclude something that, in my opinion should not end.

I assure you, this thread has been around for some time. There are no new arguments, nothing truly worthwhile to add. No facts will change, no lore. The only thing that can change are the views of the people who debate here, in this very thread. However, I truly doubt that anyone who has debated here for so long would change their minds. There is a moment when people believe they are right and a moment when people swear they are right without playing with the idea that there is a small chance, a glimmer that they may be wrong.

No Regrets.


LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE​

 

[Ozan]

Empires are lame and Romans are overrated. Deal with it.

 

[Ivory]

They are magically dead. They likely turned into numidians (how do spell that word?).

Numidians? From Numidia? Didn't the Romans kill them?

The robots like the one Tiber Septim/Talos used to crush the first Aldmeri Dominion (as in the god the Stormcloaks love so much).

Not the first. The Second.

 

[Rimfaxe96]

Empires are lame and Romans are overrated. Deal with it.

How about a human dictatorship? Perhaps that'd be effective enough to keep them elves in their place. Fight fire with fire.

 

[Ozan]

Well, history's first Dictator happened to be a Roman Emperor, so no. Didn't work the first time round, unfortunately. I think what we need is a merchant republic.

 

[Jeremius]

Numidians? From Numidia? Didn't the Romans kill them?

The robots like the one Tiber Septim/Talos used to crush the first Aldmeri Dominion (as in the god the Stormcloaks love so much).

Not the first. The Second.

I thought the dominion we know of in the 4th era is the second?

 

[Rimfaxe96]

Well, history's first Dictator happened to be a Roman Emperor, so no. Didn't work the first time round, unfortunately. I think what we need is a merchant republic.

I was about to suggest a nation ruled like Genghis Khan did, but ultimately that was aMongol Empire too...
Seriously. What is it with humans and empires?

 

[Ozan]

Well, history's first Dictator happened to be a Roman Emperor, so no. Didn't work the first time round, unfortunately. I think what we need is a merchant republic.

I was about to suggest a nation ruled like Genghis Khan did, but ultimately that was aMongol Empire too...
Seriously. What is it with humans and empires?

Genghis Khan? Why not suggest an Empire like the Persians had?

Why, Ozan, do you mean that one Empire of Slaves and homoerotic man gods with disfigured concubines and goat people? No, I mean the Persian Empire that was actually surprisingly accepting and fair in rule. I don't like the idea of Empires in general, but they made it work pretty well.

 

[LegateFasendil]

Well, history's first Dictator happened to be a Roman Emperor, so no. Didn't work the first time round, unfortunately. I think what we need is a merchant republic.

Incorrect. You are substituting personal bias against Rome as an excuse for blatant disregard of actual political processes in history which lead to the Office of Emperor.

Despotism is a form of Gov in which a single entity rules with absolute power. In other words, a Despot is a Dictator.

That entity, *may* be an individual, as in an autocracy (Monarch), or it may be a group, such as an Oligarchy.

"Roman Emperor" is an Emperor, which is nothing other than a King who rules many Kingdoms. Whereas a King, also could be a despot himself/herself. Although Kings came first, Imperialism was necessary to organize different Kingdoms under a single political platform. The Emperor is the head of that platform.

If you had recognized the difference, you would know that Dictatorship did not begin with Rome (as they deposed one of their Kings), you would understand that Dictatorships, like all forms of Gov built by man, rise and fall in different cycles according to a Civ's culture and circumstance.

 

[LegateFasendil]

Well, history's first Dictator happened to be a Roman Emperor, so no. Didn't work the first time round, unfortunately. I think what we need is a merchant republic.

I was about to suggest a nation ruled like Genghis Khan did, but ultimately that was aMongol Empire too...
Seriously. What is it with humans and empires?

Genghis Khan? Why not suggest an Empire like the Persians had?

Why, Ozan, do you mean that one Empire of Slaves and homoerotic man gods with disfigured concubines and goat people? No, I mean the Persian Empire that was actually surprisingly accepting and fair in rule. I don't like the idea of Empires in general, but they made it work pretty well.

Which Persian Empire? Achaemenid or Sassanid?

Persia I under Cyrus was alright however his successors were quite cruel. Alexander the Great was end result of Persian acceptance and fairness toward the Greeks and Macedonians.

Persia II was Fascist and couldn't stop consuming their neighbors. Byzantines and Arabs put them to bed.