Gearuvagen
I know, You know
It's almost like arguing against a Frost Troll.... just go talk to the people of Solitude, listen to Ulfric's 'Plans" as you go through the Stormcloak storyline and you might see.
It's almost like arguing against a Frost Troll.... just go talk to the people of Solitude, listen to Ulfric's 'Plans" as you go through the Stormcloak storyline and you might see.
I'd shoot you, because no sane man would still carry a sword.
I don't want an insane man in my meadery.
Proof......?
How the duel went down by accounts of those who were there. Ulfric came into the palace, challenged the High King now before anyone in the Court could even react Torygg jumped off his chair and accepted and took out his sword. Then a loud BAM as Ulfric shouted and stabbed the King then ran out like a bat out of hell before anyone could even react. It was over rather quickly, and Ulfric was gone before anyone had realized what had just happened. The guards were chasing him but he had a head start since everyone in the palace was stunned. The gateguard opened it for Ulfric even though half of Solitude guards were chasing him. This allowed Ulfric to escape from Nordic justice, the Civil war sparked the Western Holds called him murderer and war broke out, the Legion was ordered to step in and bring stability to the region, they had trouble dealing with it so Tullius and a few Legates were dispatched to Skyrim at the request of the Emperor.
I asked for proof, some lore, not your view of it. I talked with court mage of solitude, I talked with thanes, they all say that they would stop ulfric from issuing a challenge by any means but once the challenge was issued they couldnt do anything.
Toryg accepted duel when challenge was issued. They didnt try to stop him, they would have stoped ulfric from using his right to issue a challenge if they knew. That is what they told me. And unless you have diferent dialogues than me they will say the same thing to you too.. Load up a game and go to solitude and ask again. I just did.The proof is lacking since uesp doesn't record every single thing. Just play Skyrim and ask around, speak with many people around Skyrim. Piece it together, Torygg accepted the duel before anyone could stop him and then Ulfric shouted and killed the High King. He then ran out fleeing from Solitude at full speed back to Windhelm.
Ulfric didn't walk out, he ran like a bat out of hell. The man fled out of the city at full speed.
Only if your willfully blind to what the game presents to you. Last time I checked, apartheid was a form of racism and as Jarl of Eastmarch he is enforcer in chief of the segregation laws of Windhelm....Well, there isn't any true evidence to support he is racist...
Toryg accepted duel when challenge was issued. They didnt try to stop him, they would have stoped ulfric from using his right to issue a challenge if they knew. That is what they told me. And unless you have diferent dialogues than me they will say the same thing to you too.. Load up a game and go to solitude and ask again. I just did.
He couldn't refuse the challenge, Ulfric only challenged him because he knew he could beat him. Ulfric wouldn't dare fight some one on par with him. Torygg idealized the guy, how would you feel if your hero walked up to you challenged you to a duel. You pull out a sword and he shoots you in the face with a shotgun. (Sword vs Thu'um)
Same old Bull talk. Just because someone is weaker doesnt excuse him or gives him imunity. If it does then the best and most awesome thing would be to be a brain dead armless and leggless human being and as such put on the throne.
Toryg was unfit to rule, if he cant defend himself how can he defend skyrim. All you are pointing out is weaknesess of Toryg and reasons for him being unfit to rule.
He wasnt his hero. He respected him. That is all.
Lore is view of it also. Though if you want what lore says on Ulfric by all means.
Little is known of Ulfric before 4E 176. He inherited the role of Jarl of Eastmarch from his father,[2] and carried on a rivalry with Jarl Balgruuf the Greater of Whiterun since they both were young. He studied under the Greybeards at High Hrothgar to learn how to use the thu'um.[1] He is branded a racist by some of his detractors, possibly because of his indifference to the situation of the Dunmer in Windhelm, his order forbidding Argonians from entering the city, and claims that he only concerns himself with issues in Eastmarch that affect the Nords of the Hold.
Ulfric led the militia to recapture the Reach, in what would become known as the Markarth Incident.[7] It is rumored that Ulfric used the thu'um to achieve this victory,[8] and he ultimately overthrew and captured the Forsworn leader, Madanach. When Markarth was returned to Imperial control, the free worship of Talos there was officially permitted, a condition Ulfric demanded before he agreed to cede control of the city.[7] Until then, the Imperial Legion had been largely ignoring Talos worship in Skyrim, but the Thalmor used the opportunity Ulfric provided to demand rigid adherence to the Concordat, and the Empire ultimately reneged on the agreement with Ulfric.[7][9][10] Thus the incident was a key factor in bringing about the Stormcloak Rebellion. Following the incident, Ulfric reportedly became uncooperative to direct contact with the Thalmor, and he was eventually deemed by them to be a dormant asset
Following the Markarth Incident, Ulfric was arrested. His father, The Bear of Eastmarch, died while Ulfric was imprisoned, and Ulfric was forced to deliver his eulogy via a letter that he had smuggled out of prison.[11] He was eventually set free and returned to Windhelm, where he took up his father's place as Jarl.[11] Upon the death of High King Istlod, the Moot was convened to formally name his son Torygg as the new High King. Though the Moot only convenes as a formality when a High King dies with a direct heir,[12] Ulfric used the forum to voice his desire for independence from the Empire. Torygg knew Ulfric as a war hero and respected him, and the daring he displayed during the Moot further impressed the younger Nord. Soon after, Ulfric traveled to Solitude to see the young High King. Torygg and his court believed Ulfric had come to further discuss his desire for Skyrim's independence, and welcomed him. By the time they realized Ulfric was there to challenge Torygg, it was too late to stop it. Under ancient Nordic traditions, Torygg had no choice but to accept Ulfric's challenge for the throne, lest he risk losing face for an act of cowardice, which would lead to a recall of the Moot and likely his deposal as High King.[13] Accounts differ on what happened next. According to Ulfric, he knocked Torygg to the ground with the thu'um, then dispatched him with a sword. Rumors circled amongst the people that Ulfric's shout literally tore the young High King to pieces.[1][14] Ulfric's supporters claimed that Torygg was a traitor to his people who deserved to die and Ulfric's victory rightfully made him the new High King.[14] Ulfric's detractors insist that there was nothing honorable about his challenge, and they view Torygg's death as unforgivable murder, as Torygg was of a young age while Ulfric was at his prime, and Ulfric did not exhaust diplomatic alternatives.[1] According to Sybille Stentor, Torygg likely would have given Ulfric's request to emancipate Skyrim from the Empire serious consideration, as he held Ulfric in high esteem.[13]
Ulfric managed to evade capture and fled back to Windhelm, where he called upon all "true" sons and daughters of Skyrim to join him in rebellion. As Jarls in the eastern holds flocked to his cause, all hope of avoiding war was lost. Eventually, in 4E 201, he was captured by Imperial forces, bound, gagged, and brought to Helgen for execution. However, a surprise attack by the ancient dragon Alduin, the World-Eater, devastated the town and created chaos.[1] Ulfric escaped back to Windhelm to continue his campaign, purportedly with the aid of the Thalmor, who wished for Ulfric's rebellion to continue so Skyrim would remain divided and distracted
Though Lore articles aren't always the best to use since it's sometimes the personal summary of one person through different sources. In the end though it's all about view.
Defend Skyrim from what?
From any posible threat. Present of future.