Buffington Battle-Born
3 B's, Ho!
Best third faction? Dragons. Become a Dragon priest, and enslave Skyrim for Alduin.
Stormcloaks =/= Nords. It's a war between Nords that support remaining in the Empire and Nords that favor secession.I joined the Stormcloaks cuz my character is a Nord and it just wouldn't feel right to betray my people.
LOL at bulbaquil for commenting disagree to a post that merely asserts matters of fact. Reminds me of people that don't believe in evolution.
LOL at bulbaquil for commenting disagree to a post that merely asserts matters of fact. Reminds me of people that don't believe in evolution.
He's disputing the second paragraph and claims the Empire and Igmund started the war (by kicking Ulfric et al. out of Markarth).
Sorry, but attributing the signing of a peace treaty to an act of war requires acceptance of an extremely liberal distortion of the English language. That's like saying the Allied powers caused World War II by requiring Germany to sign the Treaty of Versailles.Eh? The Empire started the war by signing the White-Gold Concordat.
Sorry, but attributing the signing of a peace treaty to an act of war requires acceptance of an extremely liberal distortion of the English language.
Throwing around psuedo clever catch phrases like "politically correct" doesn't garner any support for your observations or rather deficits in observation skills. Making observations about racial prejudice doesn't require one to "drag and impose modern sensibilities" into a fictional world. Racial prejudice isn't contextual. Despite any belief you may have to the contrary, words have meaning and language and communication wouldn't be possible if it were otherwise.Yet somehow people manage to drag and impose modern sensibilities into this world...sensibilities that by any objective measure are inappropriate.
The accusation that Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are racist is a good example. I have yet to see any real evidence that this is true. It is just one of those politically correct, important sounding, catchphrase slanders that seem to rise unbidden at every turning. Something people can latch onto and get outraged about, I suppose...in lieu of more productive enterprises.
First you talk about how it's just a game and then you talk about intolerance for a different culture when it's fictional. Good one. People are just having fun in a thread by trading observations and debating the merits of the Stormcloaks versus the Imperials for amusement.Perhaps just as disturbing is the obdurate, intransigent intolerance for a different culture and a different world view...and mostly from people who ostensibly and very publicly hold tolerance as the end all and be all of enlightened behaviour...except for people who disagree with them.
You appear to be significantly English-challenged. There wasn't any contradiction posited.There's no contradiction there...
The only thing absurd is that statement. If you think that any of the examples I posted above equate to mere indifference then you simply don't understand the meaning of words like "indifference" "racial" and "prejudice" although I suspect you're simply choosing to ignore convention and are abusing the English language in an attempt to defend your position because it's the only way you can put on the facade of doing so....to call someone racist because he is indifferent to the "niceties" afforded people who do not agree with him is absurd.
This is an incredibly disturbing statement only ameliorated by the fact we are dealing with fiction. This is one of the same arguments that was made to support slavery of African Americans in the United States. It's completely irrelevant whether they are "human" or not. They bear the same level of sentience and humanity as humans and that's all that matters....But, as I understand it, the case can be made that neither are they, strictly speaking, human...so racism doesn't enter into it.
This is merely an explanation for xenophobia and racial prejudice. It is neither a refutation of it's existence nor a valid defense of it. We are not rutting beasts (well at least some of us aren't). We have the higher faculties of reason which enable us to rise above the beasts and adopt an actual code of morality and ethics to enable us to exist as a more developed, cohesive and, hopefully, just society than lions and wolves.We are genetically encoded to protect and trust our own families first, clans second, and all others have to prove they are worthy of trust. The whole animal kingdom is rife with such behavior...despite the saccharine notions of fantacists, the lamb seldom lies down with the lion.
I just don't get how you can believe that there is no evidence of his racism given that he's imposed segregation on the Dunmer and he doesn't afford equal protection to his people based on race. Those are classic examples of racism in governance and he's the Jarl of Eastmarch. These are his policies that he's implemented. Unless you believe that segregation before the civil rights movement wasn't racist, or that apartheid in South Africa wasn't racist or that turning a blind eye to lynchings by law enforcement isn't racist those policies should be sufficient evidence that he's racist.There is no real evidence that Ulfric is racist. Only your perception of his actions or inactions.
You seem to be entertaining some kind of notion that it requires some form of telepathy to get inside a person's head or Wonder Woman's lariat to get them to confess that they are racist to determine if they are racist, but that's not how characteristics of racism are ascribed to people, it's through their actions. Uflric's dialogues don't really touch on the issue of his policies regarding non-Nords. He only touches on the issue of race with you if you're not a Nord and join the Stormcloaks, and they're hardly definitive of anything other than movement of the faction quest plot line.You can imagine all kinds of things going on in the mind of someone like Ulfric (ignoring what the developers have written into his character and what he says)
Which you can thank Ulfric for. If you follow Hadvar in the beginning of the game you get to speak to his uncle Alvor in Riverwood, you get dialogue options where you discover that the Thalmor presence and ability to take people in Skyrim for suspicion of worshiping Talos is a direct result of the Stormcloak rebellion. Before that, notwithstanding that it was one of the the worst kept secrets in Tamriel, people were free to worship Talos with the Empire turning a blind eye and the Thalmor having no presence to do anything about it.But the Thalmor kill worshipers of Talos in their own homeland.
LOLing at inferring emotional context from a text format. This is just a weak and puerile ad hominem, a logically fallacious tool of last resort when one doesn't have any substantive counterargument to present. There is nothing political about noting the characteristics of racism or recognizing them when they manifest themselves in characters in a work of fiction.You're imposing your political beliefs and your nearly hysterical emotionalism on not only this discussion but the game itself. Which is just what I was objecting to.
Your presumption is ignorant and your view of the Stormcloaks being untenable as choice for players in the civil war simply because of Ulfric's shared xenophobic racially prejudiced views and practices is an ironic display of your inability to immerse yourself into a character of that world and culture given that a portion of your prior posts was about being able to do so....I suspect that the developers were intelligent enough and subtle enough that they would not make Ulfric such an obvious foil that the Empire is the must-choose default for all right thinking people...like yourself presumably...