So, Ted Nugent...Why aren't you dead or in prison yet??

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Irish

Thane of Solitude
You may disagree with how he presents some of his facts but it doesn't make his facts any less true. I question some of the things he says about his own country, but he's not a liar or a pl***-talker. Which is why the comparison of him and Michael Moore is completely baseless, as Ted Nugent is the exact opposite.

I think its kind of sad that people would put Michael Moore on the same level as Ted Nugent just because they don't like how socialist he is. I think he deserves a little more credit than that.

I'm putting Michael Moore on the same level as Ted Nugent not because of his political views, but because he's a lying hypocrite. He demonizes capitalism, makes MILLIONS from selling his goods and services for personal profit (wait, isn't that a capitalist practice??) which puts him in the top 1% of wealthy Americans, then flat-out lies about being a 1%er after he's called out on Piers Morgan's show so as not to appear like the fraud he is.

Edit: I happen to think poorly of Michael Moore and Ted Nugent because of their actions and hypocrisy, not necessarily because of their political beliefs. I respect their political opinions, though I don't agree with them.
 

Crooksin

Glue Sniffer
I'm putting Michael Moore on the same level as Ted Nugent not because of his political views, but because he's a lying hypocrite. He demonizes capitalism, makes MILLIONS from selling his goods and services for personal profit (wait, isn't that a capitalist practice??) which puts him in the top 1% of wealthy Americans, then flat-out lies about being a 1%er after he's called out on Piers Morgan's show so as not to appear like the fraud he is.

No, he's not a bullpl*pster or a liar at all. What was I thinking?

So what you're saying is that anybody who demonizes capitalism can't make any money what so ever? I'm not saying he's perfect, far from it, and I'm not saying I agree with everything he says/does and I do acknowledge the fact that he twists his words and/or exaggerated to get his point across, but the base of his points are still valid.

What I think is absurd is that you'd put Michael Moore on the same level as someone who says these things:

"[I get a] full predator spiritual erection" from hunting "bear, lions, coons, housecats, escaped chimps, small children, scared women and everything else that can be chased and/or hunted."

Nugent told the Detroit Free Press in 1990 that he meticulously planned to get out of the war. He stopped bathing 30 days before going before the draft board and later ate nothing but junk food and Pepsi. A few days before his appointment, Nugent started defecating in his pants. It obviously worked — and it's a good thing, because "if I would have gone over there, I’d have been killed, or I’d have killed all the Hippies in the foxholes. I would have killed everybody."

"I think that Barack Hussein Obama should be put in jail. It is clear that Barack Hussein Obama is a communist. Mao Tse Tung lives and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. This country should be ashamed. I wanna throw up," he said, adding "Obama, he’s a piece of s**t. I told him to suck on my machine gun."

"What’s a feminist anyways? A fat pig who doesn’t get it often enough?"

And that's just a couple, so yeah what were you thinking?
 

KaitoGhost

Sea Sponge First Mate
So what you're saying is that anybody who demonizes capitalism can't make any money what so ever?

Moore didn't just make a few bucks. He made millions, off of capitalism, while denouncing capitalism. Ergo, hypocrite. He may not be as batplops crazy as the Nuge, but he is still a scumbag douchenozzle.
 

Irish

Thane of Solitude
Moore didn't just make a few bucks. He made millions, off of capitalism, while denouncing capitalism. Ergo, hypocrite. He may not be as batpl*** crazy as the Nuge, but he is still a scumbag douchenozzle.

What you said. :)

I never said Michael Moore was as fanatic or as wacky as Ted Nugent, but his knack for being a hypocrite is right on par with Nugent's.
 

Medea

The Shadow Queen
Unfortunately, like every other extremist (of any kind), Michael Moore twists his "facts" around to only support his personal views. He is the Rush Limbaugh of the left wing. He may not outright lie (emphasis on may), but he doesn't tell the entire truth.

It's a pity that typed words on a computer cannot fully communicate my utter contempt for people like Moore and Limbaugh.

I can understand not liking Michael Moore, and I can definitely understand not liking Rush Limbaugh. But I don't see the comparison, personally.

Michael Moore attacks the right based on facts. He may not tell the "whole truth", like you say, but what person in the media does these days? Moore presents intelligent arguments, and while many may not agree with him, he never outright insults people the way Limbaugh does. Although, I'll admit I didn't like the way he treated Charlton Heston in Bowling for Columbine.

Also, if you actually watch any of Moore's movies, you'll see that he attacks the left quite often as well.

Limbaugh is suffering from what I like to call "Hindenburg's Syndrome". He's just a big blimp full of hot air and all he does is taunt, insult and humiliate those he disagrees with. He called Chelsea Clinton a dog for God's sake, when she was only 13 years old. Limbaugh is just full of hatred.

I would make the argument that Bill Maher is actually more like Limbaugh. I like Bill Maher though, because I agree with him more often, and he's an actual comedian, not someone who hides behind the line "I was only joking", after he says something controversial.

Here's the biggest difference in my humble opinion:

Bill Maher and Michael Moore have the balls to go right into the 9th circle of Hell (Fox News) and debate people like Bill O'Reilly on his own show. Limbaugh never goes on MSNBC or John Stewart, because he wants a closed, and unfair, platform to go on his diatribes.
 

KaitoGhost

Sea Sponge First Mate
Yeah, we'll go with that, instead of "I don't feel like continuing a pointless arguement in which nobody will have their minds changed".


*facepalm* extremists...
 

Doctor Langstrom

I want to be FEARED!
Yeah, we'll go with that, instead of "I don't feel like continuing a pointless arguement in which nobody will have their minds changed".


*facepalm* extremists...

Now I'm an extremist? Well damn, I wish I was making huge amounts of money from making films.

Now this is an extremist. It even has a nifty translation for you folk who are a bit slow.

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KaitoGhost

Sea Sponge First Mate
I'm a conservative? Huh. And here I thought I hated hardcore right wingers, too... Now I'm all sorts of confused...
 

The Phoenician

Shiney, let's be bad guys.
So moral of the story is: its okay if someone is a hypocritical d-bag as long as you agree with them.
 

feliciano182

Well-Known Member
I'm putting Michael Moore on the same level as Ted Nugent not because of his political views, but because he's a lying hypocrite. He demonizes capitalism, makes MILLIONS from selling his goods and services for personal profit (wait, isn't that a capitalist practice??) which puts him in the top 1% of wealthy Americans, then flat-out lies about being a 1%er after he's called out on Piers Morgan's show so as not to appear like the fraud he is.

Edit: I happen to think poorly of Michael Moore and Ted Nugent because of their actions and hypocrisy, not necessarily because of their political beliefs. I respect their political opinions, though I don't agree with them.

At least Michael Moore is willing to pay higher taxes, he's not as full of crap as other folk that are just as rich as he is.
 

Irish

Thane of Solitude
At least Michael Moore is willing to pay higher taxes, he's not as full of crap as other folk that are just as rich as he is.

Okay...I could see how someone who's for higher taxes would think that's commendable of him, and maybe it is, but it still doesn't cancel out him being a douche.
 

Irish

Thane of Solitude
Why is he a douche? I'm sorry, but any guy who gets a bus full of gay men and brings them to where the WBC is picketing is hella awesome.

His blinding hypocrisy on some things is what makes him douchey to me, not so much his politics. And good on him for standing up to the WBC; since I give credit where it is due, I award him some cool points.
 

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