Adolf Stormcloak
My title's better than your title
I think he said he was actually planning on going to Canada. But isn't health care even worst over there? Besides it being free?
So, Ted Nugent...Why aren't you dead or in prison yet??
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I think he said he was actually planning on going to Canada. But isn't health care even worst over there? Besides it being free?
Crooksin
Glue Sniffer
They are quite the same in quality, wait times, doctor skill, and what not except we don't pay for it and don't need to worry about being covered
Soloquendi
Pastor of Muppets
No, it's actually quite good. The stories of it being bad are mostly propaganda from the insurance corporations, who don't want universal healthcare here.
I believe in capitalism, but the lives and health of our children should not be for profit.
Crooksin
Glue Sniffer
There is problems though, I'll admit that. Waiting times and shortage of doctors is a big one, but that is also due to how insurance companies tend to put more money in doctor's pockets to diagnose a certain way in USA than in Canada because they have more control there. I've read about doctors who were originally from Canada that moved back or American doctors who moved here because of how inconsistent it was to deal with patients and how hard it was to do any good with insurance companies the way they are.
Personally, I've never had a problem. I've had to go to the hospital twice in my life, both for non-life threatening injuries (broken arm, leg) and I waited 45 minutes the first time and 2 hours for the second time. I'm sure its not that much different in any standard American hospital. I also have a regular doctor I go see and it was not hard to get, but I do live in a city. Walk-In clinics are almost just as good, I've had to go to one a couple times and waited maybe an hour at most.
In any case, I'd rather wait an extra hour or 2 and not have to pay for it then only wait 45 mins and have a 5000 dollar bill at the end.
Personally, I've never had a problem. I've had to go to the hospital twice in my life, both for non-life threatening injuries (broken arm, leg) and I waited 45 minutes the first time and 2 hours for the second time. I'm sure its not that much different in any standard American hospital. I also have a regular doctor I go see and it was not hard to get, but I do live in a city. Walk-In clinics are almost just as good, I've had to go to one a couple times and waited maybe an hour at most.
In any case, I'd rather wait an extra hour or 2 and not have to pay for it then only wait 45 mins and have a 5000 dollar bill at the end.
Adolf Stormcloak
My title's better than your title
Ah, okie. I was watching a Philip Defranco video a long while back that was talking about Rush Limbaugh and how he was planning to flee the country to go to Canada if Obamacare was ever enacted, and I can't really remember what Phil was talking about but he was saying how silly it was to flee to Canada over healthcare. I guess it's nice to get an actual Canadians perspective. I think imma go and try and find that video again though so I can see what he was saying.
Adolf Stormcloak
My title's better than your title
Alright found the video, but he was actually talking about Costa Rica!
Crooksin
Glue Sniffer
Yeah, I did read about how their waiting times were significantly better than Canada and US, but I don't know anything about their healthcare tbh. I think it was Michael Moore who did a test of 3 hospitals in the 3 countries. Costa Rica was the fastest, followed by a hospital in Toronto and then somewhere in US was far behind, I believe.
FullmetalHeart20
Well-Known Member
Fellow countrymen like him...they are my shame.
Doctor Langstrom
I want to be FEARED!
I happen to like Michael Moore. Not saying the man is perfection, but I have to say at least he tries to bring common sense to the huge problems that are facing the U.S. Sicko was a very depressing film for me to watch.
FullmetalHeart20
Well-Known Member
Any extremist is insane. That's why I reject political parties.
Medea
The Shadow Queen
This isn't about political extremism on the right or left, or how good Ted Nugent's music is. I'm merely pointing out his hypocrisy.... the fact that while many think of him as a patriot, he's really a draft-dodger. Let's not start with the Pee Wee Herman arguments. It ends up looking like this:
Adolf Stormcloak
My title's better than your title
All arguments should end like that!
Irish
Thane of Solitude
Ted Nugent is a hypocrite, no doubt about it, and I was merely saying that he and his knack for BS comments should be taken with a grain of salt. My post wasn't intended to be a "Who's the bigger asshat of the two?" argument, just using Moore as a comparison for Teddy's level of hypocrisy, which is off the charts, in my opinion.
KaitoGhost
Sea Sponge First Mate
Common sense? I only see extreme leftism.
Doctor Langstrom
I want to be FEARED!
Better than being a conservative moron who hates everyone that isn't a white Christian American male.
KaitoGhost
Sea Sponge First Mate
No, actually it's just as bad.
Crooksin
Glue Sniffer
You may disagree with how he presents some of his facts but it doesn't make his facts any less true. I question some of the things he says about his own country, but he's not a liar or a plops-talker. Which is why the comparison of him and Michael Moore is completely baseless, as Ted Nugent is exactly that.
I think its kind of sad that people would put Michael Moore on the same level as Ted Nugent just because they don't like how socialist he is. I think he deserves a little more credit than that.
KaitoGhost
Sea Sponge First Mate
Unfortunately, like every other extremist (of any kind), Michael Moore twists his "facts" around to only support his personal views. He is the Rush Limbaugh of the left wing. He may not outright lie (emphasis on may), but he doesn't tell the entire truth.
It's a pity that typed words on a computer cannot fully communicate my utter contempt for people like Moore and Limbaugh.
