Redguard Discussion (was DLC discussion)

[Two Bears]

Have we considered that Saadia and Kematu are both lying? They could both be twisting the truth to make themselves seem like the good guy to the playing character, this means that to believe either would confuse people. If they're both lying then none of their information should be taken for truth, meaning that he arguments many of you have made would be null and void by the fact that none of the information is true or consistent with the world's lore.

Actually, no, everything you posted makes complete sense. I just really wanted to do that.

 

[Phoenix Knight]

thanks . I've been irritated that everyone thinks that someone is telling the truth about something, even though it's entirely possible neither one is being truthful.

 

[berzum]

seeing how the dev team came out and said no more dlc, that should be a good answer for anyone wondering this....the only reason they renewed the rights was because the next tes or others in the future may be based on it and they don't want some other gaming devs to place rights on it....thats just imo though

 

[Volanere]

That woud be a awesome dlc, now maybe there will be a questline for the Dominion that would be great.

 

[Epic Keith]

Well Bethesda did say "it's time to move on" and "will release minor updates" so I guess they are working on Evil Within or Fallout 4. They did also say that they were taking a break from DLC so we just have to wait for Bethesda to officially say, "It's over"

 

[Phoenix Knight]

Bethesda already said it's not Fallout 4

 

[Epic Keith]

Bethesda already said it's not Fallout 4

Then it must be Evil Within, I should have figured that when all I saw on Bethesda's site was Evil Within

 

[Phoenix Knight]

yeah, i've been monitoring IGN for any other info about it

 

[NiteMare]

Bethesda is re-releasing the old game. It cancelled the old trademark in 2007, most likely because it stopped producing copies of the game which meant it couldn't fulfill the use in commerce requirements to maintain the registration. The second renewal is simply reflective of the fact that this is an intent to use filing and they haven't put the game back into circulation yet. Bethesda may not have any intentions to do so in the foreseeable future ( you can file up to 5 extensions for a total of 36 months to re-introduce the product into the stream of commerce once you get the notice of approval).

If you look at the application date it's March 10, 2011, 8 months before Skyrim was even released. Compare that to Dawnguard which was filed on February 17, 2012, Hearthfire filed on May 24, 2012 and Dragonborn filed on September 25, 2012. It doesn't fit the pattern for the trademark applications for all prior DLC releases and it makes little sense that they would name the DLC after already released content rather than establish a new brand. This is just more wild speculation from fans that are desperate for information on new DLC content.

I very much agree with all of this . Beth is done with DLC for skyrim, it's sad to say :'(

 

[Phoenix Knight]

yeah, i was really hoping for more than the current three, Hearthfire didn't feel like it was worth 20 bucks

 

[NiteMare]

yea me too

 

[Phoenix Knight]

At least Skyrim is still an awesome game!

 

[feliciano182]

Have we considered that Saadia and Kematu are both lying? They could both be twisting the truth to make themselves seem like the good guy to the playing character, this means that to believe either would confuse people. If they're both lying then none of their information should be taken for truth, meaning that he arguments many of you have made would be null and void by the fact that none of the information is true or consistent with the world's lore.

Dagmar ?

 

[jonathan90]

Well I do not believe in rumours at all, but I feel the red gaurd DLC may come out in the far away future but not right now. In which I think the rumours about it coming out, and saying that it will come out soon is fake. But the future release of the red gaurd DLC for skyrim might not come out for a while.or not at all

 

[Dagmar]

If they're both lying then none of their information should be taken for truth, meaning that he arguments many of you have made would be null and void by the fact that none of the information is true or consistent with the world's lore.

No, because lies are meant to be persuasive and therefore plausible unless one suffers from a pathological compulsive disorder a la "Tommy Flanagan".

The inconsistencies with lore aren't obscure things that only some citizens of Tamriel would know. They are widely known things like the fact that the war in Hammerfell is over, the Aldmeri Dominion no longer occupies any of Hammerfell and has a peace treaty with it, and that the fall of Taneth took place 3 decades ago.

If I tell you that the Royal Family of England are really alien dinosauroids that have secretly taken over the world that's not going to convince you that this is so (unless you're a compete nutter), but rather compel you to think that I'm either joking or delusional and perhaps insane on some level. In a similar vein saying that "the Resistance is alive and well" in Hammerfell isn't going to convince anyone of anything but the same.

 

[Dagmar]

....the only reason they renewed the rights was because the next tes or others in the future may be based on it and they don't want some other gaming devs to place rights on it....

Zenimax didn't renew anything. You can't renew a cancelled trademark, you can apply again for registration. Trademark's are tied to actual products and as Vice President of Bethesda Studios Pete Hines has already stated and was known to anyone that knows the full trademark application history of the Redguard trademark, the application is for the existing game Redguard.

 

[Phoenix Knight]

But it's not for certain that the entire resistance is gone. 'Alive and Well' doesn't necessarily mean it's as strongly influential as the Stormcloaks. It could be simply a group of people hiding out in the sewers plotting their triumphant return. They would still technically be a resistance thus making the resistance 'Alive and Well'.
And as for Saadia and Kematu, for all we know Saadia could be a teenaged girl who ran away from Kumatu who was actually her abusive stepfather. Saadia might have lied about speaking out against the Aldmeri Dominion so that people wouldn't send her back or alert Kumatu. We don't know enough about them to infer anything they may or may not have done.

 

[Dagmar]

But it's not for certain that the entire resistance is gone.

It's of complete certainty that they're gone. The Redguard Resistance was a movement to fight the occupation of Hammerfell by the Aldmeri Dominion after the end of the Great War. It's sole purpose for existing was fulfilled when the Aldmeri Dominion sued for peace and completely vacated Hammerfell.

...It could be simply a group of people hiding out in the sewers plotting their triumphant return...

Hiding out from what? The French Resistance didn't go into hidng after WWII because there was nothing hide to from and there was nothing to resist. If Redguards want to protect Hammerfell from future attacks they would join the standing armies of Hammerfell not go into hiding like bunch of insane hermits that are so deluded that they think that's an effective way to prepare against future attacks.

...They would still technically be a resistance thus making the resistance 'Alive and Well'...

No, per my observation above that would simply make them somewhat demented and delusional.

...for all we know Saadia could be a teenaged girl who ran away from Kumatu who was actually her abusive stepfather...

I'm not even going to address this since it's completely non-responsive to what I stated earlier except to point out that the game clearly makes them out to be contemporaries of one another.

... Saadia might have lied about speaking out against the Aldmeri Dominion...

While true this is completely irrelevant to the point that her motivation for lying can't be reconciled with the lore of Hammerfell because the lie becomes completely implausible in that context which brings one back to the conclusion that the quest isn't lore consisent.

...We don't know enough about them to infer anything they may or may not have done....

That's the point of the quest. It's meant to be morally ambiguous but that observation does nothing to refute the notion that the developers f***fed up on the lore in designing this quest.

 

[Phoenix Knight]

It's of complete certainty that they're gone. The Redguard Resistance was a movement to fight the occupation of Hammerfell by the Aldmeri Dominion after the end of the Great War. It's sole purpose for existing was fulfilled when the Aldmeri Dominion sued for peace and completely vacated Hammerfell.

Just because the Thalmor left doesn't mean everyone who sided with them did. Perhaps the resistance still exists and is taking measures to stop them from spreading the belief that they should return to Hammerfell.
It's also entirely possible that the quest is simply to test what the player knows about TES lore. It doesn't have to be a screw up, just something to see how many people can notice the inconsistencies.

 

[Two Bears]

Remember the scene in episode four of Band of Brothers where Easy Company, upon liberating Eindhoven, stumbles upon a circle of Belgians cutting off hair, drawing swastikas on the forehead and unceremoniously disrobing women that collaborated with the Nazis? The local resistance leader then approaches Winters and says something to the effect that those women were lucky as the men were being shot. There is always the reciprocal element after the occupation is over. That is to what Kematu likely refers, and is probably why he has been sent after Iman.