I pull out what I am responding to, not quote the whole thing just to talk about one sentence.
I never said Ulfric did not create them. I am just acknowledging that the Empire was needed, and the White-Gold Concordant was needed, for the path to be opened for Ulfric.
Then I should do the same.
Obviously to rebel against the Empire... requires
an Empire. You're acknowledging the Empire is needed for someone to rebel against an Empire. To what end? Where are you heading with this debate?
I don't see how repeating yourself on two accounts is even achieving anything, all you're stating is that "Without Empire, they could not rebel against an Empire."
Of course the White-Gold Concordat was needed, and the Empire was obviously needed. You can't exactly lead a rebellion against the Empire and the WGC without the Empire and Treaty having existed in the first place.
You said the Empire created the Stormcloak rebellion on your other account.
I also stated that the Empire created the rebellion, which is true as well, as it was the Empire's actions that caused the Markarth Incident that led to the "creation" of the Stormcloaks.
You are confusing the Empire with Ulfric. Ulfric Stormcloak created the rebellion, not the Empire. Ulfric's choices, and motives caused the creation of the Stormcloaks.
The Empire's actions merely presented different roads to walk down. They didn't force Ulfric into it, they didn't give him soldiers, or hand him weapons. He did that himself, he used his charisma and political ability to create the Stormcloak Rebellion, which is political as it is military.
So you're just contradicting yourself on two accounts. First you say the Empire created the rebellion, and now you're saying Ulfric created the rebellion.
Ulfric is a big boy, he can do things on his own. Trying to point the finger at the Empire for the Stormcloak creation is merely removing Ulfric's political prowess. Does he require others to do things first? Ulfric Stormcloak isn't this mindless brute, he's clever, and a skilled politician. He inspires loyalty and sacrifice. He knows what to say and how to say it, to draw in the crowd.