Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

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Jeremius

Guest
TO be honest, the stormcloaks seem like morally right choice, You can teach Imperial tactics and military formations rather easily. You cannot as easily teach loyalty and faith.

For me, I think the Nords deserve freedom. The Empire lost it's moral footing when they gave the Thalmor what they wanted, no matter the reason.
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
TO be honest, the stormcloaks seem like morally right choice, You can teach Imperial tactics and military formations rather easily. You cannot as easily teach loyalty and faith.

For me, I think the Nords deserve freedom. The Empire lost it's moral footing when they gave the Thalmor what they wanted, no matter the reason.
And here we go again.
 
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Jeremius

Guest
TO be honest, the stormcloaks seem like morally right choice, You can teach Imperial tactics and military formations rather easily. You cannot as easily teach loyalty and faith.

For me, I think the Nords deserve freedom. The Empire lost it's moral footing when they gave the Thalmor what they wanted, no matter the reason.
And here we go again.

lol. I was being serious. Maybe Wulf/Talos is right and the Empire's time is over and done with.
 

Dropjaw23

Hail the Empire!
TO be honest, the stormcloaks seem like morally right choice, You can teach Imperial tactics and military formations rather easily. You cannot as easily teach loyalty and faith.

For me, I think the Nords deserve freedom. The Empire lost it's moral footing when they gave the Thalmor what they wanted, no matter the reason.

Yes but if they break free of the Empire then the Empire will fall and so will Skyrim as the others (I'm sure Black Marsh won't be affected as with Morrowind) so they will have to support each other if they want to stand a chance to the elves.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
TO be honest, the stormcloaks seem like morally right choice, You can teach Imperial tactics and military formations rather easily. You cannot as easily teach loyalty and faith.

For me, I think the Nords deserve freedom. The Empire lost it's moral footing when they gave the Thalmor what they wanted, no matter the reason.


An Imperial soldier is walking with his unit down the road, out on patrol and says...

"Man this Imperial armor is heavy" and "My folks didn't like my decision to join the Empire" and "Well I couldn't just sit there and let Ulfric and his minions destroy everything."


His armor is heavy, yet it protects him because it is heavy.

His burden is also heavy as it seems like the world is against him, yet he knows how to carry it.

His family has given up hope and yet... he has not.

He deals with it... and he can deal with it because he is strong.

His faith is stronger than the urges around him to just quit, to lay down and submit to whoever chooses to piss on him that day.


He cannot undo the past, he cannot make right the present, yet he still stands for the future.
 
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Jeremius

Guest
TO be honest, the stormcloaks seem like morally right choice, You can teach Imperial tactics and military formations rather easily. You cannot as easily teach loyalty and faith.

For me, I think the Nords deserve freedom. The Empire lost it's moral footing when they gave the Thalmor what they wanted, no matter the reason.


An Imperial soldier is walking with his unit down the road, out on patrol and says...

"Man this Imperial armor is heavy" and "My folks didn't like my decision to join the Empire" and "Well I couldn't just sit there and let Ulfric and his minions destroy everything."


His armor is heavy, yet it protects him because it is heavy.

His burden is also heavy as it seems like the world is against him, yet he knows how to carry it.

His family has given up hope and yet... he has not.

He deals with it... and he can deal with it because he is strong.

His faith is stronger than the urges around him to just quit, to lay down and submit to whoever chooses to piss on him that day.


He cannot undo the past, he cannot make right the present, yet he still stands for the empire.

The Imperial soldier stands for the empire. One day the Empire will be no more, maybe that day is sooner ragther than later.
 

TheQahnaarin

Son of Skyrim
Then here is the truth. Imperial armor is not for me, because I do not play legion characters. End of story and discussion.


Well at least he's being honest ;)


A General question for the Stormcloaks here willing to step back in the ring...

Question: If Bruma was under some kind of siege, ah say from the Thalmor and you knew that Bruma was still an Imperial hold. Assuming the Stormcloaks won in Skyrim, would you be willing to save Bruma or to let her fall...?
To be honest, I don't believe the Stormcloaks would be capable of taking it back. They need to march pretty far and their numbers are slimmer than before. If they could barely hold a stalemate with an Auxiliary Legion, how would they assault the Thalmor head on? They have three outcomes.

1. Be killed by the Thalmor.
2. Be killed by the Empire.
3. Not even go because by the time they get there, it would be finished.

1. It's up in the air, Nords in the legion (a lot of which are now Stormcloaks) had success against the Dominion in the Great War. Also, the Dominion has never fought farther North than the Imperial city. Bruma and Skyrim are bloody cold. Everyone assumes that the southern-most culture on Tamriel will have immediate success up north. Germany vs USSR, they were almost at Moscow until winter hit. Don't underestimate the elements.
2. Wait, so Stormcloaks coming to aid the empire are going to be killed by the empire? Ummmm
3. Depends on the state of Pale Pass or how fast they hear the news, or far along the new kingdom under Ulfric had come along.
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
TO be honest, the stormcloaks seem like morally right choice, You can teach Imperial tactics and military formations rather easily. You cannot as easily teach loyalty and faith.

For me, I think the Nords deserve freedom. The Empire lost it's moral footing when they gave the Thalmor what they wanted, no matter the reason.


An Imperial soldier is walking with his unit down the road, out on patrol and says...

"Man this Imperial armor is heavy" and "My folks didn't like my decision to join the Empire" and "Well I couldn't just sit there and let Ulfric and his minions destroy everything."


His armor is heavy, yet it protects him because it is heavy.

His burden is also heavy as it seems like the world is against him, yet he knows how to carry it.

His family has given up hope and yet... he has not.

He deals with it... and he can deal with it because he is strong.

His faith is stronger than the urges around him to just quit, to lay down and submit to whoever chooses to piss on him that day.


He cannot undo the past, he cannot make right the present, yet he still stands for the future.
#LegateFasendil for High King.
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
TO be honest, the stormcloaks seem like morally right choice, You can teach Imperial tactics and military formations rather easily. You cannot as easily teach loyalty and faith.

For me, I think the Nords deserve freedom. The Empire lost it's moral footing when they gave the Thalmor what they wanted, no matter the reason.
And here we go again.

lol. I was being serious. Maybe Wulf/Talos is right and the Empire's time is over and done with.
I would say that the Stormcloaks do better than this, but I would be lying. :p
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
Well at least he's being honest ;)


A General question for the Stormcloaks here willing to step back in the ring...

Question: If Bruma was under some kind of siege, ah say from the Thalmor and you knew that Bruma was still an Imperial hold. Assuming the Stormcloaks won in Skyrim, would you be willing to save Bruma or to let her fall...?
To be honest, I don't believe the Stormcloaks would be capable of taking it back. They need to march pretty far and their numbers are slimmer than before. If they could barely hold a stalemate with an Auxiliary Legion, how would they assault the Thalmor head on? They have three outcomes.

1. Be killed by the Thalmor.
2. Be killed by the Empire.
3. Not even go because by the time they get there, it would be finished.

1. It's up in the air, Nords in the legion (a lot of which are now Stormcloaks) had success against the Dominion in the Great War. Also, the Dominion has never fought farther North than the Imperial city. Bruma and Skyrim are bloody cold. Everyone assumes that the southern-most culture on Tamriel will have immediate success up north. Germany vs USSR, they were almost at Moscow until winter hit. Don't underestimate the elements.
2. Wait, so Stormcloaks coming to aid the empire are going to be killed by the empire? Ummmm
3. Depends on the state of Pale Pass or how fast they hear the news, or far along the new kingdom under Ulfric had come along.
1. Germany didn't have the ability to create fire at their fingertips...:D
2. If they successfully took Skyrim, that would be leaving the Empire. I'm not saying they would, but it would be a nice opportunity to weaken your enemies forces no?
3. A Legion is waiting at the Pale Pass.....:eek:
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
lol. I was being serious. Maybe Wulf/Talos is right and the Empire's time is over and done with.
I would say that the Stormcloaks do better than this, but I would be lying. :p

1) I said maybe, which means I think they might be, a possibility. 2) I am not a stormcloak, just thinking in a moral standpoint.
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General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
Aww, that picture was perfect! :sadface:
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
Aww, that picture was perfect! :sadface:

From a moral standpoint, there is no justification in allowing your people to be taken from their homes and possibly killed just because they worship a god the enemy despises.
Did that picture even show? Anyways, people seemed to have gotten along just fine with worshiping in secret....until Ulfric. Besides, the Thalmor had an embassy, but it wasn't until Ulfric and the "Markarth Incident" did they finally have an excuse to settle in Skyrim.
 

TheQahnaarin

Son of Skyrim
To be honest, I don't believe the Stormcloaks would be capable of taking it back. They need to march pretty far and their numbers are slimmer than before. If they could barely hold a stalemate with an Auxiliary Legion, how would they assault the Thalmor head on? They have three outcomes.

1. Be killed by the Thalmor.
2. Be killed by the Empire.
3. Not even go because by the time they get there, it would be finished.

1. It's up in the air, Nords in the legion (a lot of which are now Stormcloaks) had success against the Dominion in the Great War. Also, the Dominion has never fought farther North than the Imperial city. Bruma and Skyrim are bloody cold. Everyone assumes that the southern-most culture on Tamriel will have immediate success up north. Germany vs USSR, they were almost at Moscow until winter hit. Don't underestimate the elements.
2. Wait, so Stormcloaks coming to aid the empire are going to be killed by the empire? Ummmm
3. Depends on the state of Pale Pass or how fast they hear the news, or far along the new kingdom under Ulfric had come along.
1. Germany didn't have the ability to create fire at their fingertips...:D
2. If they successfully took Skyrim, that would be leaving the Empire. I'm not saying they would, but it would be a nice opportunity to weaken your enemies forces no?
3. A Legion is waiting at the Pale Pass.....:eek:

1. Not all the Aldmeri are skilled mages. Regardless, Skyrim still has home-field advantage. The common Aldmeri soldier isn't a heartless, emotionless killing machine. They're far from Alinor, freezing, and up against fur-clad, battle-axe wielding, war-paint adorned screaming hulks, who are right at home.
2. Skyrim and Cyrodiil aren't enemies. Ulfric refuses to attack Solitude during the Emporer's visit. The rebellion is to allow Nords to live the way they wish, if you're familiar with Redguard, their rebellion there is to ensure they are treated better by the empire, not to overthrow the them or completely sever ties. And why would Cyrodiil sandwich themselves between the Dominion and Skyrim? I must be missing something here.
3. How do you know? If this assuming Bruma's fallen, why are they standing around at Pale Pass, I'd be um, I don't know, fighting the dominion? Also Pale Pass is a mess at the moment, avalanches and such.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
Aww, that picture was perfect! :sadface:

From a moral standpoint, there is no justification in allowing your people to be taken from their homes and possibly killed just because they worship a god the enemy despises.


Whose standpoint? Stormcloaks are effectively the weakest link. You are sheep who will follow anyone who says the words you want to hear. An Imperial must question things yet at the same time deal with the things he cannot change in his heart.

Furthermore, whether it be Empire or Stormcloak rule neither are pillars of good morality. Your morality argument falls apart when we begin to consider all the unethical pl*ps that both Empire and Nords have done over the years.

It's not at all about morality, Stormcloaks defend Ulfric's every move past & present and virtually none of them critique Ulfric either so let's be honest with ourselves here shall we?
 

TheQahnaarin

Son of Skyrim
Aww, that picture was perfect! :sadface:

From a moral standpoint, there is no justification in allowing your people to be taken from their homes and possibly killed just because they worship a god the enemy despises.
Did that picture even show? Anyways, people seemed to have gotten along just fine with worshiping in secret....until Ulfric. Besides, the Thalmor had an embassy, but it wasn't until Ulfric and the "Markarth Incident" did they finally have an excuse to settle in Skyrim.

It doesn't matter, the dominion was working toward that, they were working in primarly Cyrodiil, fortifying the Valenwood and Elsweyr border, and wrapping things up in Hammerfell. The dominion was also exhausted from the war, they likely weren't able to heavily enforce the WGC anyways until the rebellion.
 
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Jeremius

Guest
Aww, that picture was perfect! :sadface:

From a moral standpoint, there is no justification in allowing your people to be taken from their homes and possibly killed just because they worship a god the enemy despises.


Whose standpoint? Stormcloaks are effectively the weakest link. You are sheep who will follow anyone who says the words you want to hear. An Imperial must question things yet at the same time deal with the things he cannot change in his heart.

Furthermore, whether it be Empire or Stormcloak rule neither are pillars of good morality. Your morality argument falls apart when we begin to consider all the unethical pl*ps that both Empire and Nords have done over the years.

It's not at all about morality, Stormcloaks defend Ulfric's every move past & present and virtually none of them critique Ulfric either so let's be honest with ourselves here shall we?

I am not justifying the actions, just pointing out, letting something happen, even if you question it quietly is morally wrong. At least the stormcloaks are fighting for what they believe.
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
1. It's up in the air, Nords in the legion (a lot of which are now Stormcloaks) had success against the Dominion in the Great War. Also, the Dominion has never fought farther North than the Imperial city. Bruma and Skyrim are bloody cold. Everyone assumes that the southern-most culture on Tamriel will have immediate success up north. Germany vs USSR, they were almost at Moscow until winter hit. Don't underestimate the elements.
2. Wait, so Stormcloaks coming to aid the empire are going to be killed by the empire? Ummmm
3. Depends on the state of Pale Pass or how fast they hear the news, or far along the new kingdom under Ulfric had come along.
1. Germany didn't have the ability to create fire at their fingertips...:D
2. If they successfully took Skyrim, that would be leaving the Empire. I'm not saying they would, but it would be a nice opportunity to weaken your enemies forces no?
3. A Legion is waiting at the Pale Pass.....:eek:

1. Not all the Aldmeri are skilled mages. Regardless, Skyrim still has home-field advantage. The common Aldmeri soldier isn't a heartless, emotionless killing machine. They're far from Alinor, freezing, and up against fur-clad, battle-axe wielding, war-paint adorned screaming hulks, who are right at home.
2. Skyrim and Cyrodiil aren't enemies. Ulfric refuses to attack Solitude during the Emporer's visit. The rebellion is to allow Nords to live the way they wish, if you're familiar with Redguard, their rebellion there is to ensure they are treated better by the empire, not to overthrow the them or completely sever ties. And why would Cyrodiil sandwich themselves between the Dominion and Skyrim? I must be missing something here.
3. How do you know? If this assuming Bruma's fallen, why are they standing around at Pale Pass, I'd be um, I don't know, fighting the dominion? Also Pale Pass is a mess at the moment, avalanches and such.
1. The Russians had Home field advantage. The Germans had home field advantage. The ROMANS had homefield advantage too. Home field advantage =/= victory.
2. This is all speculation. However if Skyrim was gone from the Empire and you had some or most of the enimies force outside your door fighting the Thalmor who you would have no idea of their intentions, wouldn't you want to kill 2 birds with 1 stone?
3. Adding to the speculation, If I was in charge of the Legion at the Pale Pass and Bruma was being attacked, I would have them hit from behind like the Stormcloaks would do. That would be perfect for a sandwich. :eek:
 

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