.... Ulfric was tortured to near death by the thalmor
This is not a fact. Uflric was captured and interrogated by the Thalmor during the Great War. While we can assume that he was tortured as part of the interrogation, there's nothing in the Thalmor Dossier on him that details the level of torture used, and it's implied in the same dossier that they intentionally let him go for future use as an asset which doesn't really support the idea that they would have tortured him to the point of death.
.... the same thalmor your imperials are puppets to
This is mere opinion and pointlessly undermines any argument you attempt to make by needlessly expressing bias.
.... Ulfric is merely a victim and longs for justice, see..
This also is mere opinion and a poorly supported conclusion by the one distorted fact presented. The single act of his torture over 20 years ago at the hands of the Thalmor doesn't make him a victim in the civil war. He deliberately triggers the war by killing the High King. He's not an idiot. His dialogues show that he knew what the result would be and his intention to wage war until the Moot is essentially controlled by him.
.... if you read some of those books and journals instead of just collecting them to continue the quest you can learn key points to the story and get an understanding of who's right and who's wrong.
In point of fact most of the books found in Skyrim predate ES V, and very few of the books that are introduced into the Elder Scrolls universe are relevant to understanding the background for the civil war. For someone who didn't even know about one of those few books until this past weekend, you don't inspire confidence in anyone about your understanding of the background of the civil war based on lore documents found in the game.
The key lore document introduced is the book
The Great War, which is why it's been cited ad nauseum in this thread. There are also books about the Blades and the Thalmor that provide some insight and the aforementioned Thalmor Dossiers and reports. Beyond that there are no lore docuemts that are particularly informative on the background of the civil war. The concept of right and wrong is always going to boil down to personal opinion because the civil war is a matter designed to be morally ambiguous. The value of an opinion though is going to be based on how informed it is by facts and so far you haven't really made a case.
....your imperials wish to ban the common religious practices in skyrim
This is an extremely overbroad and inaccurate statement. Nord religion predates Talos's apotheosis by thousands of years and they're free to worship that pantheon under the laws of the Empire. Imperial law bans the worship of Talos but the reason why it does so is so clearly conveyed throughout the game in multiple ways that you have to be wilfully deaf and blind to infer it's something it does out of an actual desire to do so.
.... "it even says this on the loading screen sometimes ffs!"
There is no such loading screen. The closest approximation of this is "
Talos is the hero-god of mankind. His worship is currently banned by the Empire, but that hasn't stopped the Nords of Skyrim from revering him." That's a far cry from a loading screen that states that the Empire wishes to ban common religious practices in Skyrim. So far you're batting 0 for 2 here.
.... so by calling them the "honorable hero's" in all of this you're basically saying that freedom of religion is wrong and shouldn't be allowed.. .
While I don't call the Imperial Legion of Skyrim honorable heroes, equivocating support of them to saying freedom of religion is wrong is a logical fallacy. People do in fact support causes where they don't agree with certain aspects of the cause but find other aspects of it compelling. If you look at the realm of politics this is readily apparent. By way of example the fact that people voted Barack Obama back into office can hardly be taken soberly as a mandate for all his policies, but clearly immigration was such a compelling factor for some conservative Hispanic voters that they supported his re-election even though they may have disagreed with his fiscal and social policies.
.... the stormcloaks follow Ulfric because his motives are there own, they wish to "fight back" at the thalmor who wish to conquer all of skyrim and make slaves of all nords, and that is also why they're at war with your precious legion
The former part fo this statement may be a fact but it doesn't support the latter part of the statement. The Imperial Legion are not the Thalmor.
.... because the imperial army "unlike the stormies" are cowards
This is mere opinion and, again, a pointless and self-defeating expression of bias. The one small kernel of fact asserted before doesn't support this conclusion. 0 for 3.
....you damn right Ulfric murdered the previous high king! he was yet another thalmor puppet who needed to be removed from power before all of skyrim became thalmor ruled territory...
This is not an expression of fact. Again, it's a self-serving expression of mere opinion (a pattern begins to form)
....in fact you could even say that by doing this Ulfric was trying to PREVENT the war before it started...
This conclusion, again unsupported by facts, is totally absurd on it's face. It equates to stating that Ulfric started the war to prevent it as his dialogues show that killing the High King is all part of a plan to overthrow the Jarls that don't support him through civil war.
....the stormcloaks are NOT racist ffs! this is the simplest to debunk, if it were so then why is windhelm full of elves?...
Windhelm is not particularly relevant to assessing whether the Stormcloaks are racist. It is relevant to showing Uflric's treatment of the Dunmer is racist. That's why Bethesda places so many in Windhelm and segregated them under the law of Windhelm. Windhelm is also relevant to showing an even uglier form of racism from those who support the Stormcloaks such as Rolff Stone-Fist. There is actually nothing in the game that indicates that the Stormcloaks themselves are racist but it's understandable why some players choose to believe they are based on these two factors and the fact that the Stormcloaks are a nativist movement, and that racism has been a common aspect of many if not most nativist movements throughout history.
.... and don't give me the excuse about how "they treat them badly" an all that shiz cause they do the same damn thing in imperial cities...
This is total falsehood. Windhelm is the only settlement in all of Skyrim that has actual racial segregation policies. There wasn't a single city in Cyrodiil where a particular race was singled out for negative treatement by law in ES IV. 0 for 4.
In actuality there are almost no facts asserted in your post and none that support the conclusions that you make. In keeping with the baseball metaphor, you have no hits, plenty of strikes, and no balls.
