Can't Decide between Stormcloaks or Imperials...

[Mookie]

Fled back to windhelm.....defne flee

Retreat. It also has a use to describe troops runing away from battle.
He fled to his city. He didnt panickly run out.

 

[Two Bears]

When Ulfric Stormcloak, with savage Shout, sent me here, my sole regret was fair Elisif, left forlorn and weeping. I faced him fearlessly - my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained - can Ulfric say the same?

Words from the man himself from a position where he's got no more cause to lie.

 

[Mookie]

Threat from where? Skyrim is rather isolated.

What threat does US faces? Its rather isolated. But US still keeps a huge navy, army and airforce.

 

[Gearuvagen]

What threat does US faces? Its rather isolated. But US still keeps a huge navy, army and airforce.

What?

 

[DrunkenMage]

What threat does US faces? Its rather isolated. But US still keeps a huge navy, army and airforce.

Well Tamriel doesn't have any Nukes, jet fighters or enemies that can reach Skyrim without passing through the Empire. Sea of ghosts isn't something an invading Navy can use. This is the time of swords and bows, not machine guns and jet fighters.

So tell me where is Skyrim in threat from?

 

[Mookie]

What?

I must have oversaw that huge Taliban invasion fleet in persian gulf, did I ?

 

[Mookie]

Well Tamriel doesn't have any Nukes, jet fighters or enemies that can reach Skyrim without passing through the Empire. Sea of ghosts isn't something an invading Navy can use. This is the time of swords and bows, not machine guns and jet fighters.

So tell me where is Skyrim in threat from?

Thalmor at that time. Now empire and thalmor

 

[Dagmar]

....They are given lodgings but what do you expect, that Ulfric tears down the city walls and build mansions for them? There is only soo much buildable space in the city...

This is a straw man. The issue isn't about availability of space. The issue is that by law the Dunmer are not allowed to live outside of the Gray Quarter. This is a matter of incontestable fact supported by various NPC dialogues. As Jarl of Eastmarch, Ulfric's word is law and he enforces the laws of his Hold because he chooses to do so, i.e. they are reflective of his values and attitudes. It should be noted though that those are his actions as Jarl of Windhelm and Eastmarch, i.e. as a political leader of the Hold and not as military leader of the Stormcloaks. While the Stormcloaks are obviously a nativist movement, and that inherently is going carry some notions of race based entitlements for Nords, they are nothing like the Nazis. Also, since each Jarl runs his Hold as he or she chooses, Ulfric's attitudes and policies wouldn't extend beyond the borders of his Hold if he were to become High King of an independent Skyrim.

 

[Gearuvagen]

First things first the Thalmor could not invade Skyrim without going through Highrock or Hammerfell so they're out and the Empire wouldn't be fighting if not for Ulfric.

 

[Mookie]

First things first the Thalmor could not invade Skyrim without going through Highrock or Hammerfell so they're out and the Empire wouldn't be fighting if not for Ulfric.

So we can have a horny 20-yearold on the throne because thalmor will have to go trough hammerfell to reach us first

 

[DrunkenMage]

This is a straw man. The issue isn't about availability of space. The issue is that by law the Dunmer are not allowed to live outside of the Gray Quarter. This is a matter of incontestable fact supported by various NPC dialogues. As Jarl of Eastmarch, Ulfric's word is law and he enforces the laws of his Hold because he chooses to do so, i.e. they are reflective of his values and attitudes. It should be noted though that those are his actions as Jarl of Windhelm and Eastmarch, i.e. as a political leader of the Hold and not as military leader of the Stormcloaks. While the Stormcloaks are obviously a nativist movement, and that inherently is going carry some notions of race based entitlements for Nords, they are nothing like the Nazis. Also, since each Jarl runs his Hold as he or she chooses, Ulfric's attitudes and policies wouldn't extend beyond the borders of his Hold if he were to become High King of an independent Skyrim.

Well they might since he has Galmar forcing himself onto the Jarls.

"Heh. Ulfric's put me in charge of keeping an eye on the new Jarls. You know, make sure they're generally following orders." - Galmar

 

[Gearuvagen]

well they didn't have such a fun time in Hammerfell the 1st time

 

[Mookie]

This is a straw man. The issue isn't about availability of space. The issue is that by law the Dunmer are not allowed to live outside of the Gray Quarter. This is a matter of incontestable fact supported by various NPC dialogues. As Jarl of Eastmarch, Ulfric's word is law and he enforces the laws of his Hold because he chooses to do so, i.e. they are reflective of his values and attitudes. It should be noted though that those are his actions as Jarl of Windhelm and Eastmarch, i.e. as a political leader of the Hold and not as military leader of the Stormcloaks. While the Stormcloaks are obviously a nativist movement, and that inherently is going carry some notions of race based entitlements for Nords, they are nothing like the Nazis. Also, since each Jarl runs his Hold as he or she chooses, Ulfric's attitudes and policies wouldn't extend beyond the borders of his Hold if he were to become High King of an independent Skyrim.

Its about space and law. If there is no that law where would they live. Show me a place in that city where you can place a single house. Just one spot

 

[Mookie]

well they didn't have such a fun time in Hammerfell the 1st time

So lets concentrate on Elisifs reproductive organs and put all our hopes on other people.

 

[Mookie]

Well they might since he has Galmar forcing himself onto the Jarls.

"Heh. Ulfric's put me in charge of keeping an eye on the new Jarls. You know, make sure they're generally following orders." - Galmar

Generaly following orders - type like assemble the troops, etc..

 

[Two Bears]

Generaly following orders - type like assemble the troops, etc..

Or toeing the party line.

 

[Gearuvagen]

Its about space and law. If there is no that law where would they live. Show me a place in that city where you can place a single house. Just one spot

It's a game there's not supposed to be Negative space

So lets concentrate on Elisifs reproductive organs and put all our hopes on other people.

*Sigh* I don't even.... *sigh*

 

[DrunkenMage]

Generaly following orders - type like assemble the troops, etc..

Well the armies are loyal only to Ulfric not the Hold they're assigned to. He makes mention that the Jarls will need his armies to rule etc.

Galmar: "I still say you should take them all out like you did Deadking Torygg."
Ulfric: "Torygg was merely a message to the other Jarls. Whoever we replace them with will need the support of our armies."

 

[Mookie]

It's a game there's not supposed to be Negative space

*Sigh* I don't even.... *sigh*

Sigh as much as you want. That is what he was doing.

 

[Mookie]

Well the armies are loyal only to Ulfric not the Hold they're assigned to. He makes mention that the Jarls will need his armies to rule etc.

Galmar: "I still say you should take them all out like you did Deadking Torygg."
Ulfric: "Torygg was merely a message to the other Jarls. Whoever we replace them with will need the support of our armies."

Making sure of something is a mark of a good leader. Not a bad trait. Generaly following orders is OK, its making more efficient while not infringing on liberty and power of jarls too much.
General orders can be anything from assemble the army to clear the reach of forsworn etc.. Do I have to list all of them XD