General Charles Xander
General of the 11th Imperial Legion
Oh damn. I didn't notice the book part. Nice catch Mage. :0
Oh damn. I didn't notice the book part. Nice catch Mage. :0
The Stormcloak's arguments are nothing but slander and misallocation of definitive topics. Why? Because all of the legitimate and relevant topics have been thoroughly discussed and false claims, debunked. There's nothing left for them to argue about so they result to pompous insults and persistent clarification on their views. This debate ended a long time ago, but the Storncloaks are still delirious and lost.Oh damn. I didn't notice the book part. Nice catch Mage. :0
Stormcloaks try and find anything to aid them. Like how the Legion recruiting, training and smithing in Skyrim somehow makes the Imperial Legion no longer the Imperial Legion. Like saying it was done in Skyrim somehow works in their favor...
Skyrim has been part of the Empire for 676 years. Except the Stormcloaks make out that the Empire is Cyrodiil, and only Cyrodiil. That the Imperial Legion can only come from Cyrodiil, can only recruit from Cyrodiil, can only train and forge weapons and armor from Cyrodiil to be called the Imperial Legion.
Is it so hard for them to grasp that: Skyrim = Empire. You'd think they would understand that when the entire Stormcloak cause is to break away and go independent.
I don't even know what point they're trying to make anymore my friend.
The Stirmcloak's arguments are nothing but slander and misallocation of definitive topics. Why? Because all of the legitimate and relevant topics have been thoroughly discussed and false claims, debunked. There's nothing left for them to argue about so they result to pompous insults and persistent clarification on their views. This debate ended a long time ago, but the Storncloaks are still delirious and lost.Oh damn. I didn't notice the book part. Nice catch Mage. :0
Stormcloaks try and find anything to aid them. Like how the Legion recruiting, training and smithing in Skyrim somehow makes the Imperial Legion no longer the Imperial Legion. Like saying it was done in Skyrim somehow works in their favor...
Skyrim has been part of the Empire for 676 years. Except the Stormcloaks make out that the Empire is Cyrodiil, and only Cyrodiil. That the Imperial Legion can only come from Cyrodiil, can only recruit from Cyrodiil, can only train and forge weapons and armor from Cyrodiil to be called the Imperial Legion.
Is it so hard for them to grasp that: Skyrim = Empire. You'd think they would understand that when the entire Stormcloak cause is to break away and go independent.
I don't even know what point they're trying to make anymore my friend.
"We do this for the good of Skyrim and her people. Never forget that." -Legate RikkeThe Stirmcloak's arguments are nothing but slander and misallocation of definitive topics. Why? Because all of the legitimate and relevant topics have been thoroughly discussed and false claims, debunked. There's nothing left for them to argue about so they result to pompous insults and persistent clarification on their views. This debate ended a long time ago, but the Storncloaks are still delirious and lost.Stormcloaks try and find anything to aid them. Like how the Legion recruiting, training and smithing in Skyrim somehow makes the Imperial Legion no longer the Imperial Legion. Like saying it was done in Skyrim somehow works in their favor...
Skyrim has been part of the Empire for 676 years. Except the Stormcloaks make out that the Empire is Cyrodiil, and only Cyrodiil. That the Imperial Legion can only come from Cyrodiil, can only recruit from Cyrodiil, can only train and forge weapons and armor from Cyrodiil to be called the Imperial Legion.
Is it so hard for them to grasp that: Skyrim = Empire. You'd think they would understand that when the entire Stormcloak cause is to break away and go independent.
I don't even know what point they're trying to make anymore my friend.
"At least Ulfric's men are willing to fight for their principles, barbaric as they may be."
"We do this for the good of Skyrim and her people. Never forget that." -Legate RikkeThe Stirmcloak's arguments are nothing but slander and misallocation of definitive topics. Why? Because all of the legitimate and relevant topics have been thoroughly discussed and false claims, debunked. There's nothing left for them to argue about so they result to pompous insults and persistent clarification on their views. This debate ended a long time ago, but the Storncloaks are still delirious and lost.
"At least Ulfric's men are willing to fight for their principles, barbaric as they may be."
"Fair faces and fine food are well and good, but honesty is rarely so pleasing. There are words spoken, and words unspoken. Beware these Thalmor, for they are adept in both languages. -Idgrod Ravencrone"We do this for the good of Skyrim and her people. Never forget that." -Legate Rikke"At least Ulfric's men are willing to fight for their principles, barbaric as they may be."
"It's only a matter of time before your whole rotten Empire collapses of its own decay. No offense."
"Now that stability has been established between the Dominion and the Empire, we seek only to help Skyrim. To guide its people through this time of transition, to help lead them to a better future."
"Fair faces and fine food are well and good, but honesty is rarely so pleasing. There are words spoken, and words unspoken. Beware these Thalmor, for they are adept in both languages. -Idgrod Ravencrone"We do this for the good of Skyrim and her people. Never forget that." -Legate Rikke
"It's only a matter of time before your whole rotten Empire collapses of its own decay. No offense."
"Now that stability has been established between the Dominion and the Empire, we seek only to help Skyrim. To guide its people through this time of transition, to help lead them to a better future."
"The Thalmor are arrogant fools..." -Bethesda
Near collapse? By merit of what?
Civil War. Throw in Dragons, Forsworn, Falmer, Bandits, Vampires and a Daedric Prince planning to use the province as host to a plague...
Anything else I missed?
In Skyrim, the cold weather and isolated terrain allow a few Necromancers to operate freely. Alas, the availability of corpses is limited to Nords who die from exposure or in battle. While the cold is preservative, the snow makes these corpses difficult to find. [...] These difficulties lead many Necromancers to create their own corpses. While I prefer to work with those who have died a natural death, a more expedient approach is sometimes necessary to further the study of the Art.
Just some minor stuff.
1.) Rogue mages, there are plenty of dungeons with mages in them and there's also a world encounter where you get attacked by necromancers. Not very surprising in chaotic times like these, when there's so many tombs with hundreds of corpses; even in the 2nd Era Skyrim was a suitable place for Necromancers:
3.) Economic suicide; you mentioned it earlier but maybe clarifying it to the Stormcloaks how bad the EEC goes about it's taxes will help anyway. You just have to check on the dialogue of Raven Rock NPCs.
There's also plenty of dialogue to go around regarding starving citizens, razed farms and so on; the only place to get food from beside the EEC appears to be Rorikstead, but a single horde of bandits could change that. And a single little settlement can't feed a whole country.
I doubt Ulfric will have to worry about the Nords being conquered by outsider forces, because there won't be a Skyrim left to conquer.
The Stormcloak's arguments are nothing but slander and misallocation of definitive topics. Why? Because all of the legitimate and relevant topics have been thoroughly discussed and false claims, debunked. There's nothing left for them to argue about so they result to pompous insults and persistent clarification on their views. This debate ended a long time ago, but the Storncloaks are still delirious and lost.
Right because we were still a part of the Empire and the Emperor, Thules the Gibbering was unliked. So basically what you're saying is, We rebelled against the Empire once and before, and it faired pretty well for us? Cool, guess things are on the up and upTitus Mede was fighting Emperor Thules the Gibbering, so yes, the Nords of Skyrim did rally under Titus and back him during the Stormcrown Interregnum. Skyrim endorsed him as their chosen Emperor.
Not true actually, if you care to look at the UESP article on the Tiber Wars:Doubt they hid out with the Reachmen seeing as they just conquered them with Tiber. What side of Skyrim those Nords came from doesn't matter, they were the first to swear fealty to him. Then the rest of Skyrim came later.
I would say irrational Paranoia beats utter Incompetence and Sloth. Especially in a role of leadershipA Nord is a Nord. One of those Nords is a paranoid man who has you break into the house of his former Housecarl because loyalty obviously has no meaning.
So was Ulfric, what's your point?Dengeir was originally supported by the Empire, until the rebellion. So your argument is moot.
Have you been paying attention to anything Tulius and Rikke have been saying? They are advocating for Elisif to be on the Throne. Ulfric fears the end result of this election if she is to be elected as any rational person would be. She was the one who offered to send a Legion of Guards to clear out a cave some farmer said he heard noises from, remember?The Moot hasn't named their support. Ulfric refuses to let the Moot meet while the Jarls are calling for it. Though if you actually believe the Moot supports Elisif, then Ulfric is simply a coward who needs swords at the throats of all the Jarls to gain their vote.
That was made evident with the Emperor's signature in that Concordant.Tiber Septim died hundreds of years ago.
Did you read the document past line 4?Funding the Empire in Skyrim? He sells imports to the Empire, and he's also willing to sell to the Stormcloaks if they can pay.
I don't see how the Empire is backing him, considering he's bitching the Empire is preparing to tax merchant vessels he has side deals with.
Well as I'm sure you know Mr. Mage, It is much easier for a people to unite against something in times of hardship and oppression, especially when that opposed thing is a nemesis as old as the First Harbinger himself. I don't think It would be very difficult to unite Nords against such a universally hated foe.If you "True Nords" can remain united...
True, however as stated above the Empire isn't even spending resources in this war, which means General Tulius-Timing is important, however a Civil War on the brink of a Great War is not good timing.
No, a Nord or someone who is like a Nord who values Nordic ideals. Hell, you don't even have to be a Nord;So a Stormcloak or someone who is kind of like a Stormcloak.
And yet he defies the White Gold Concordant and allows Talos Worship openly in his city because he's actually got a pair!There are many who worship Talos, just not openly.
You're right; It's not just the worship of Talos that makes a man/woman a True Nord, it's the grit to say to a bigger badder enemy: "Fu*k you, I do what I want because I'm a motherfuc*ing Nord who will kick your shi* in if you say otherwise." That's what makes a True Nord, Mage! let it stand and echo through the passages of time!Talos worship doesn't make you a True Nord. Everyone hates the Ban on Talos, you think the Empire can just forget their most beloved God on the drop of a hat? No one likes the treaty, however they accept it.
I'm just saying that we Nords are quite an impatient bunch and we don't like to be deceived or at least what we PERCEIVE as deception.Twenty five years to recover from a Great War that nearly wiped the Empire off the face of the map. How long do you believe it should take for a nation to recover from a massive war, and the aftermath of criminals and "terrorists" for a lack of a better word taking advantage and causing massive scale violence in cities and regions.
1.) You don't fuc*ing know that secret worshipers weren't rounded up and tortured & 2.)A man should be able to practice their religion openly. What you're not stating is that places of worship were shut down. Congregations where people came together and rejoiced in their faith were banned and people who attended them were arrested. This doesn't seem like a problem to you? When arguably the most superstitious race is not allowed the free worship of a god so important to them, it's not an issue to the Empire? No wonder we hate you and your ways. You don't give a shi* about anyone but yourselves and you're running an EMPIREExcept prior to Ulfric's uprising, the Empire barely enforced the treaty. Those taken were those who were shouting about Talos, it even took the Thalmor seven days of someone going on about Talos in public to finally arrest him. In Markarth, the city where Justiciars have presence.
>They can take one for the teamJust because religious fanatics can't scream about their God in public and to your face, they should rebel. They can take one for the team.
Because Nords are the native populace and the majority. This is how almost every medieval society went about things. The Natives were above the foreigners, that's just how things are. That's not to say that men and women of other races won't have rights, but naturally they will be looked on as outsiders and that's just how things are.Tamriel is home to all races, and Skyrim isn't simply occupied by Nords. Why should the Stormcloaks who care only for Nords and are entirely Nordic focused be ruling over eight other races? Spreading their own discrimination and mistrust as they grow as a faction.
And more Nords have died in the Great War than in any Nordic involvement in History. Most of whom had no idea what they were fighting for because they were conscripts.More Nords have died from Ulfric's rebellion than the Thalmor could arrest and kidnap in a hundred years.
Name one in Skyrim. Give me one Warlord willing to fight against the combined might of a unified Skyrim, that fits the textbook definition of a WarlordNot the Forsworn. Warlords. There are countless Warlords in Tamriel, how the hell do you think the Mede Dynasty started? Titus Mede was a Colovian Warlord.
I'm just saying that 8 other holds would be totally unaffected. Just as well, the Forsworn have proven pretty inefficient at holding territories considering they could be driven away by a small militia. They excel at disruption but organized warfare is not their strong suit.The Forsworn are a problem. Though do you mean that ONE hold with the largest silver mine?
Yeah if you don't get plops on by the Dominion like you always do.Of course, well once the infighting starts up again and the Nords fracture like they always do. We'll come back and be seen as saviors.
I said he was receptive and did value loyalty to Skyrim. Don't try and twist my words.You called him honorable and said he values loyalty before. Now he is a senile old man.
Yes. And the Empire supports grieving inept widows as queens and lazy spoiled children. Need I say more?So the Stormcloaks support senile old men and idiots?
Yeah, you missed quite a few things actually.Civil War. Throw in Dragons, Forsworn, Falmer, Bandits, Vampires and a Daedric Prince planning to use the province as host to a plague...
Anything else I missed?
Tulius toyed with Ulfric tooI heard enough from Ulfric when he was toying with Tullius to create drama
A speech you can abstain from being mentioned in should you so choosewhen he tried to use me in his speech
Yeah, because the EMPIRE definitely isn't using any secret and false method of stabilizing troop morale.and then turning to Galmar and laughing about the added touch of keeping with Nordic tradition for the Moot to please the idiots with the farce.
Shouldn't have rebelled then.
We're not asking for your help. We'd simply be bolstering your ranks in the coming war with the Dominion. Why wouldn't you accept our offer of allegiance?So basically Ulfric sends Skyrim into chaos, have a Civil War which starts a chain of events like I mentioned above. After the huge amounts of resources and manpower wasted in this petty uprising, you're just going to turn to the Empire and go "Can you help us?"
Then I suppose you'll die at the foot of your own hubris.Empire won't give a pl*** about you anymore if Skyrim is independent. If the war was to break out soon, the Stormcloaks won't even be in any position to aid the Empire.
Considering after that ordeal the war is basically met with a stalemate I'd say you're wrong on that one.Yes they are. The Empire didn't account for a Dragon suddenly appearing. Tullius had nearly ended the rebellion and captured Ulfric Stormcloak in a few months. I doubt anyone expected more resources and manpower would be needed.
I don't know. She made it pretty clear he wasn't gonna do it with that last wall of text. I mean she did raise him, so what does she know, right?Torygg was on the fence. Just needed swaying in either direction.
Well that Fourth Empire is definitely looking like more of a reality considering what you idiots are planning.Not at all, I think it will make Skyrim very interesting. Nords will ruin themselves once more, they have for the Second and Third Empire. Perhaps you'll do it again for the Fourth Empire if one appears.
You still trade with us even while we're seceded. There is an East Empire Company warehouse in Windhelm with boats that is operating. We benefit from each other too greatly, we won't cut off trade simply because we're no longer allies.
True, but as you know the Nords of Skyrim have always benefited from trade with the other provinces. We have quite a few exotic commodities that people from other provinces want. It would be quite easy for us to form our own trading unions and industries.I wasn't talking about the EETC. Skyrim gets free resources from the Empire, and they also have free trade while under the Empire. The EETC tax like a bitch.
I don't know, I think Ulfric makes it clear that you were *ahem* RAPING Markarth of its silver.If it was an Ebony mine, they would enjoy it. Markarth's Silver is what Markarth trades between the Holds, pays their guards and loans to land holders.
A single silver mine wouldn't really bother the Empire, they didn't really care when the Reachmen had taken it.
Like a Cockroach, eh? So you can survive for 2 weeks without your head? Well I suppose that gives you a bit of time when the Emperor inevitably gets murdered.Not the first time the Empire's been on the brink of destruction, won't be the last. The Empire and mankind is like a cockroach. They bounce back constantly and keep getting up.
What ships? You mean the ONE that wrecked off the coast of Hjaalmarch? Yeah, THAT'S doing them a lot of good.Lol? I guess the ships from Cyrodiil carrying weapons and supplies are just for pl***s and giggles.
Hah Hah, wrong.Skyrim is part of the Empire. Erikur doesn't fund the Legion, he sometimes sells to them for a very high price.
And the Thanes of Solitude and Solitude's coffers.Though in a manner of speaking I suppose you could say he funds the Legion. Much like you fund your country's Military, taxes are what pays for the Legions.
Again though, that's one ship. Most of the "Legion's" Weapons are being made in Solitude by the Castle Blacksmith.I did enjoy that link you had, fun read. Though I guess whoever wrote that had no idea about the ships from Anvil.
I think the point of the document soared over your head. The point was that your Empire is conscripting men from Skyrim to fight this war, and draining Solitude's coffers to continue it. You're the ones pitting brother against brother and your Empire is barely even funding it. And yeah, the Empire is kind of synonymous with Cyrodiil, considering it is based out of Cyrodiil which is the homeland of the Imperials both Colovian and Nibenese.I did like how whole "Only thing Imperial about the Imperial Legion is the name and Tullius!!" Oh And what wit. "Cause the Imperial in the name must mean race hur dur. Empire must mean Cyrodiil!!!!!" Because Skyrim isn't considered an Imperial province, nor were they part of the Empire...
And yet you continue the trend by forcing conscription unto men of the Western holds. Hell, at least we let them join.Brothers were fighting brothers before the Legion stepped in. Stormcloaks were having skirmishes years ago. It is a Civil War.
reconnecting High Rock makes sense, obviously you wouldn't want to lose such a valuable ally who's been nothing but loyal. Now resources can be traded and a few black sheep soldiers from Skyrim will still run off to join the Imperials anyway. And you can pretty much guarantee our presence on that battlefield when you finally DO take the fight to the Dominion. We'd cross a thousand miles to fight those long eared bastards anyday!Pointless venture? Reconnecting Cyrodiil to High Rock, resources and taxes, recruitment and conscriptions.
The Thalmor were always causing trouble since the signing of the treaty. That was most likely Ulfric's main motivation behind libertheolizing (word I came up with don't ask) Markarth.You mean Jarl Hrolfdir arresting Ulfric? It was the birthplace of the Stormcloaks, however the rebellion didn't gain ground until the Thalmor started stirring up trouble to send people to Ulfric's cause. Also Ulfric killing the High King is what sent it to full swing, since Ulfric had little support before hand.
And that gives us a reason TO break our backs for you?Because Nords are not fair-weather friends.
The one time? We've been lining your legions for centuries. What, you think all conscripts came from Colovia and Cyrodiil?Eras of prosperity, The one time the Nords have to take one on the chin for the Empire, they can't handle it.
"Stupidity of the Nords"This war has been a long time coming, it is about time the Empire put the boot down on Skyrim. For too long the Empire has had to deal with the stupidity of Nords, having to clean up the mess that Skyrim makes and the political tensions of when they annex Imperials fiefdoms, attacking Legion forts and being a pain in the ass.
Wow. Seriously, weren't you recently saying the Empire wasn't racist?It isn't any surprise Talos wanted Imperial nobility to rule the provinces... Shame we didn't listen.
I know what symbolism is, however it is box art. You claim it is to represent the collapse of the Empire.
I see it as representing the Dragonborn and the Dragons that are the main focus of the game. Akatosh being a Dragon, Alduin being considered an aspect of Akatosh since Morrowind and Oblivion. Dragons and Dragonborn being main thing. Not to mention the exact same symbol, the white with the broken wing is the cover of "The book of the Dragonborn" in-game.
Why is it broken and chipped? Because it looks worn, like an old book cover.
Necromancers have been a problem everywhere, and they usually keep to themselves. i don't see them being a huge issue in the coming future.Just some minor stuff.
1.) Rogue mages, there are plenty of dungeons with mages in them and there's also a world encounter where you get attacked by necromancers. Not very surprising in chaotic times like these, when there's so many tombs with hundreds of corpses; even in the 2nd Era Skyrim was a suitable place for Necromancers:
In Skyrim, the cold weather and isolated terrain allow a few Necromancers to operate freely. Alas, the availability of corpses is limited to Nords who die from exposure or in battle. While the cold is preservative, the snow makes these corpses difficult to find. [...] These difficulties lead many Necromancers to create their own corpses. While I prefer to work with those who have died a natural death, a more expedient approach is sometimes necessary to further the study of the Art.
I'm quite aware Riften belongs to Maven and I will never dispute this fact. It only goes to show that Laila's word on Ulfric means jack shi* if she can't see the snake in the grass nipping at her heels. Obviously it's clear she doesn't have a good judgement of character. Shame the player can't take more action into their own handsMaven: "I have payments to make you realize. If I can't make them, I can't make Black-Briar Mead." OR "Quite. To be brief, I need compensation for the lost shipment. Since Riften was responsible for it, Riften should pay for it."
Laila: "We... don't have enough to..."
Riften is so low on money they can't pay a single one of Maven's shipments. Hell, just another clear sign Riften belonged to Maven even if she didn't sit on that throne.
All this piece of dialogue shows is that she's been making the citizens of Solitude pay for a war that the Empire should be paying for.Elisif: "As you know, Solitude's coffers are much depleted by the war efforts. ..."
Golly gee, I guess we really are screwed! I mean it's not like we're a culture of seafaring people who have benefited from nautical trade for centuries. Oh woe is me! What are we gonna DO!?Siddgeir in Falkreath even dealed with bandits who offered money, so he can't be filthy-rich either anymore. He's also awfully impatient about getting his taxes:
Siddgeir: "Why have taxes not come in from Granite Hill, Nenya? We should send some guards down there."
Nenya: "They are only a little late, Jarl. The trade routes are affected by the war, we should give them another day."
Siddgeir: "Very well, but when their emissary arrives I want words with him."
3.) Economic suicide; you mentioned it earlier but maybe clarifying it to the Stormcloaks how bad the EEC goes about it's taxes will help anyway. You just have to check on the dialogue of Raven Rock NPCs.
Gjalund:"Before you even ask... yes, I have the supplies you requested. But..."
Adril:"But what?"
Gjalund:"This load cost me double what we had agreed on. Nothing I can do about it."
Adril:"Damn it, Gjalund. You know we don't have that much coin."
Gjalund:"Look, the East Empire Company didn't give me a choice. They've raised their prices again, and there's nothing I can do about it."
Adril:"After all these years, they're gouging us for every last drake we have. Let me talk to Lleril. I'll see what we can do."
"Solitude... home to the East Empire Company, the heartless bastards." --Teldryn Sero
There's also plenty of dialogue to go around regarding starving citizens, razed farms and so on; the only place to get food from beside the EEC appears to be Rorikstead, but a single horde of bandits could change that. And a single little settlement can't feed a whole country.
I doubt Ulfric will have to worry about the Nords being conquered by outsider forces, because there won't be a Skyrim left to conquer.
Right because we were still a part of the Empire and the Emperor, Thules the Gibbering was unliked. So basically what you're saying is, We rebelled against the Empire once and before, and it faired pretty well for us? Cool, guess things are on the up and up
Not true actually, if you care to look at the UESP article on the Tiber Wars:
So was Ulfric, what's your point?
Have you been paying attention to anything Tulius and Rikke have been saying? They are advocating for Elisif to be on the Throne. Ulfric fears the end result of this election if she is to be elected as any rational person would be. She was the one who offered to send a Legion of Guards to clear out a cave some farmer said he heard noises from, remember?
That was made evident with the Emperor's signature in that Concordant.
Did you read the document past line 4?
Falk: "We know full well about your investment in shipping ventures, Erikur. I've also heard troubling rumors about dealings between you and the crew of that pirate ship, the Red Wave. Thankfully, Jarl Elisif cares far less about your lost profits than she does about winning the war!"
Erikur: "The Jarl would be wise to remember that it is her thanes - and my profits - that are paying for this war."
So not only is he funding the war, he's also being allowed to operate with pirates without so much as a peep from Elisif, proving the corruption among the aristocracy of Solitude and the "Imperial" Legion.
Not only are they being funded by Erikur and the Thanes of Solitude but they're also conscripting members of the Haafingar Guard and the citizens of the Imperial holds. So much for just protectors, eh?
True, however as stated above the Empire isn't even spending resources in this war, which means General Tulius-
Tullius: "The Thalmor. They stirred up trouble here. Forced us to divert needed resources and throw away good soldiers quelling this rebellion."
-Is a dirty little liar.
1.) You don't fuc*ing know that secret worshipers weren't rounded up and tortured
& 2.)A man should be able to practice their religion openly. What you're not stating is that places of worship were shut down. Congregations where people came together and rejoiced in their faith were banned and people who attended them were arrested. This doesn't seem like a problem to you? When arguably the most superstitious race is not allowed the free worship of a god so important to them, it's not an issue to the Empire? No wonder we hate you and your ways. You don't give a shi* about anyone but yourselves and you're running an EMPIRE
Okay. I'm gonna put this in words you can understand Since you clearly don't get it; Let's say you're a child and you REALLY love Ice Cream. You love it to the point of fanaticism and you've been allowed and encouraged to eat it under no supervision or chastization from your parents. Now, let's say that under some FREAK occurrence, your father loses a bet with some dude who thinks he can raise you better than your father can. The man is warranted to come into your home and tell you how to live for a YEAR. So this guy struts into your house with a new set of house rules. One of those rules being that you can no longer eat Ice Cream. "This is an outrage! "How could my father let this happen to me!" you think to yourself. In your head you know that you'd do anything for the sweet creamy frozen bliss that is Ice Cream. You brilliantly and unexpectedly come up with a solution; "No matter, I'll simply do it in secret." This new guy somehow KNOWS that you're going to attempt to eat Ice Cream clandestinely and he ups the ante in terms of security and always watches you. You do manage to sneak in a bit of Ice Cream here and there but eventually you get caught and severely beaten and scolded by this new sadistic overseer and he grounds you. Meanwhile, you overhear that your brother, who lives on the western side of the house, is rebelling against this new guardian's rule, which allowed him joint-ownership of half of your brother's room. He ends up barely fighting off the patriarch of tyranny's malevolent attempts at subterfuge and is allowed to keep full control of his room. Hearing about your brother's success you decide to try your hand in also regaining your Ice Cream privileges, however the man is protected by your father because he doesn't want to pay more money to the man that has invaded your home and personal space. What do you do?
Because Nords are the native populace and the majority. This is how almost every medieval society went about things. The Natives were above the foreigners, that's just how things are. That's not to say that men and women of other races won't have rights, but naturally they will be looked on as outsiders and that's just how things are.
And more Nords have died in the Great War than in any Nordic involvement in History. Most of whom had no idea what they were fighting for because they were conscripts.
There wasn't a named one in Cyrodiil until after the game. Tamriel has various Warlords.Name one in Skyrim. Give me one Warlord willing to fight against the combined might of a unified Skyrim, that fits the textbook definition of a Warlord
war·lord
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noun: warlord; plural noun: warlords
- a military commander, especially an aggressive regional commander with individual autonomy.
I'm just saying that 8 other holds would be totally unaffected. Just as well, the Forsworn have proven pretty inefficient at holding territories considering they could be driven away by a small militia. They excel at disruption but organized warfare is not their strong suit.
Yeah if you don't get pl*** on by the Dominion like you always do.
Yeah, you missed quite a few things actually.
1.) The Civil War can be recovered from with a unified workforce driven by the catalyst of battling Elven Supremacy
2.) A normal Dragon can be killed by 5 town guards
3.) The Forsworn are again only a problem to one hold
4.) Bandits have plagued every province for centuries with marginal success
5.) The Vampires are being handled by the Dawnguard
Other than that whole plague thing things should go well. Oh and by the way, a Plague isn't going to be contained into one province buddy. Good luck campaigning with sick soldiers!
Tulius toyed with Ulfric too
A speech you can abstain from being mentioned in should you so choose
Yeah, because the EMPIRE definitely isn't using any secret and false method of stabilizing troop morale.
Considering after that ordeal the war is basically met with a stalemate I'd say you're wrong on that one.
I don't know. She made it pretty clear he wasn't gonna do it with that last wall of text. I mean she did raise him, so what does she know, right?
True, but as you know the Nords of Skyrim have always benefited from trade with the other provinces.
I don't know, I think Ulfric makes it clear that you were *ahem* RAPING Markarth of its silver.
What ships? You mean the ONE that wrecked off the coast of Hjaalmarch? Yeah, THAT'S doing them a lot of good.
Hah Hah, wrong.
Erikur: "The Jarl would be wise to remember that it is her thanes - and my profits - that are paying for this war."
And the Thanes of Solitude and Solitude's coffers.
Again though, that's one ship. Most of the "Legion's" Weapons are being made in Solitude by the Castle Blacksmith.
I think the point of the document soared over your head.
The point was that your Empire is conscripting men from Skyrim to fight this war,
and draining Solitude's coffers to continue it.
And yeah, the Empire is kind of synonymous with Cyrodiil, considering it is based out of Cyrodiil which is the homeland of the Imperials both Colovian and Nibenese.
And yet you continue the trend by forcing conscription unto men of the Western holds. Hell, at least we let them join.
The one time? We've been lining your legions for centuries. What, you think all conscripts came from Colovia and Cyrodiil?
Wow. Seriously, weren't you recently saying the Empire wasn't racist?
WHAT!? REPRESENTS THE DRAGONBORN!? IT'S ALWAYS REPRESENTED THE EMPIRE SINCE IT'S FOUNDING! IT'S ON THE DOORS OF THE WHITE GOLD TOWER! IT'S ON IMPERIAL ARMOR! IT'S ON YOUR FUC*ING FLAG FOR FUC*S SAKES!
LOOK! LOOK AT YOUR BANNER! DOES THIS MEAN NOTHING TO YOU! DOES IT MEAN FUC*ING NOTHING!
I'm quite aware Riften belongs to Maven and I will never dispute this fact. It only goes to show that Laila's word on Ulfric means jack shi* if she can't see the snake in the grass nipping at her heels. Obviously it's clear she doesn't have a good judgement of character. Shame the player can't take more action into their own hands
All this piece of dialogue shows is that she's been making the citizens of Solitude pay for a war that the Empire should be paying for.
Golly gee, I guess we really are screwed! I mean it's not like we're a culture of seafaring people who have benefited from nautical trade for centuries. Oh woe is me! What are we gonna DO!?
Later on he explains why he does it in this bit of dialogue;
Elisif: "As you know, Solitude's coffers are much depleted by the war efforts. Thane Erikur, you have a strong head for business. What do you suggest?"
Erikur: "This is an unfortunate but unavoidable ebb in revenue. But as long as we continue to support the Empire, our sacrifices will be well rewarded."
Bryling: "Listen to you, speaking of sacrifice. You've never gone hungry a day in your life, Erikur!"
Elisif: "And what would my impetuous Thane Bryling suggest, instead?"
Bryling: "Simple. Let the Empire fight its own war, with its own funds, and without hijacking our supplies and soldiers. Let Haafingar rebuild."
Erikur: "My lady... Surely you're not that naive. Such foolishness would only leave us defenseless. The rebels would storm the palace in an afternoon."
Bryling: "The Stormcloaks only rebel because the Empire uses Skyrim as its personal larder. The more they take, the more support the rebels gain!"
Elisif: "That is quite enough. Perhaps I will raise these issues when I have an audience with General Tullius."
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Necromancers have been a problem everywhere, and they usually keep to themselves. i don't see them being a huge issue in the coming future.
Golly gee, I guess we really are screwed! I mean it's not like we're a culture of seafaring people who have benefited from nautical trade for centuries. Oh woe is me! What are we gonna DO!?
Soo... after you two have gone back and forth like this, quite intelligently and interestingly amusing to be sure, is the questions solved? Imperials or stormcloaks? I don't want to support any senile idiots or spoiled grieving widows, so is there a solution that allows me to join forces against the AD? I haven't explored this quest line in any of my games and have been looking to lately.
Definitely Imperials. The most funny fact-battle-posts start somewhere around page 750 if you feel like looking them up.