Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

[Mikulas Black-Blade]

Oh I know, totally. Dolby will go punish his hands with a hot iron for the next hour and a half, contemplating what a just and peaceful ruler Ulfric will become.

You're a faggot, Harry

 

[LegateFasendil]

Oh I know, totally. Dolby will go punish his hands with a hot iron for the next hour and a half, contemplating what a just and peaceful ruler Ulfric will become.

You're a faggot, Harry

Only a child would stand up for their rights and in defiance of Ulfric and his meri men. I totally get it now. Thank you so much for liberating me from all this Freedom and the ability to choose for myself.

 

[Mikulas Black-Blade]

Only a child would stand up for their rights and in defiance of Ulfric and his meri men. I totally get it now. Thank you so much for liberating me from all this Freedom and the ability to choose for myself.

And only a Buffoon would stand up for what he believes in to fight against a stronger, corrupt government so that his/her cultural and religious rights can be restored. God, I totally get it now! I've seen the light! I can die in peace! IM COMING ELIZABETH!!!

 

[LegateFasendil]

Oh I know, totally. Dolby will go punish his hands with a hot iron for the next hour and a half, contemplating what a just and peaceful ruler Ulfric will become.

You're a faggot, Harry

More of a heathen actually. Ah, "Witch Elf" might be the more approp title.

 

[Mikulas Black-Blade]

More of a heathen actually. Ah, "Witch Elf" might be the more approp title.

Yeah, and I suppose I'm an obstinate Nordic fool. Truce?

 

[LegateFasendil]

Only a child would stand up for their rights and in defiance of Ulfric and his meri men. I totally get it now. Thank you so much for liberating me from all this Freedom and the ability to choose for myself.

And only a Buffoon would stand up for what he believes in to fight against a stronger, corrupt government so that his/her cultural and religious rights can be restored. God, I totally get it now! I've seen the light! I can die in peace! IM COMING ELIZABETH!!!

But you already had all of that on YOUR SIDE of Skyrim. When you began occupying cities and enforcing your will on neutral and unbiased holds / kingdoms, that's when the problems started.

 

[Mikulas Black-Blade]

No. I don't deal with Terrorists. And, I also don't deal with Empire's who won't fight for me. Who stand by and let their people fend for themselves.

I don't like either of you.

However, I do like Whiterun and Jarl B and the people of Whiterun.

Both of you have mis behaved and all Jarl B wanted to do was take care of his hold and his people.

I respect that... alot. Causes come and go but a good man who will defend his people against God and the world, is something you seldom find.

The thing of it is, hopefully Gen Tully can follow thru a help fix the Empire's problems. Of course, Jarl B can always ask the Imperials to leave. Something to admire about the Empire. Would the Stormcloaks leave? No.

For Whiterun. For... the Empire.

Hmph proud and arrogant. You've still got that Imperial Blood in you, I see. I suppose neither of us will ever be convinced of anything. But I will leave you with this, we aren't the terrorists in this thing, remember who the real enemy is.

 

[Mikulas Black-Blade]

But you already had all of that on YOUR SIDE of Skyrim. When you began occupying cities and enforcing your will on neutral and unbiased holds, that's when the problems started.

Probably so the rest of the country could reap the same benefits, there are Talos Worshipping Nords on the west too.

 

[Mikulas Black-Blade]

More of a heathen actually. Ah, "Witch Elf" might be the more approp title.

Oh and when I say "witchelf" I mean Thalmor soldier, not a High Elf

 

[TheQahnaarin]

And paying for your treaty with your subjects (who just scarred a generation for their empire) is cowardly and traitorous. Trust me, they want to and are preparing for the next fight against the elves.

It was everyone's choice. Including Skyrim's. You cannot side with the Empire and then turn your back when it's convenient. That's called being a traitor.

Because it's high time they do. They've gone and died for the empire, took on multitudes of refugees of a race they've been ancient enemies with, and their reward was the concordat.

As has every other race have died for the Empire, including High elves. Ulfric and the stormcloaks didn't take in the dunmer, they came long before the stormcloaks (The army) were even a thing. It's not our fault that Skyrim decided to attack morrowind during/after the Oblivion Crisis. If anything, they should take responsibility just as the Dunmer did for what they did to the Argonians.

So the Redguards have abandoned their traditions by renouncing the Empire and declaring themselves independent from the Dominion and Empire? If anything they've gone back to the good ol' days.

Redguards and Nords are nothing alike. Not to mention the whole Crowns and Forebears is literally that exact issue that's plagued them for over a thousand years. There are no "good ol' days" for the Nords. Just War.

Change won't come from sitting around and being content with mediocrity.

No one was sitting around. The Empire and Thalmor are building their armies. Just because they don't flash it around, doesn't mean it isn't happening. Hell, they barely even hide it, from both sides. Yet stormcloaks are so far up their own asses to see what's going to happen, they are blind, by choice to it all.

No the Emporer signed it, and then paid off all the Jarls as a band-aid solution. What more do you want from Nords? They were with Tiber from the start, and they played a crucial role in the Great War. You can only ask a people for so much and continue taking from them.

But it's Ulfric keeping them sheltered and fed. He could tell them to hit the road. Morrowind being attacked by them is a rumor. Not sure why you're even bringing that up, considering Ulfrics not even born for another 200 years. Adril Arano doesn't mention any Nords attacking them, but he does seem to remember a certain Empire leaving them for dead.

I'm not talking about Nords, I'm talking about Redguards going back to more traditional methods.

Alright, if you have faith in your Legions who haven't been at full strength since the Oblivion Crisis and are now more depleted than ever, and in your Emporer floating around somewhere in the Void, and in your Elder Council trying to take over, and in your lack of Hammerfell, then go for it.

 

[LegateFasendil]

No. I don't deal with Terrorists. And, I also don't deal with Empire's who won't fight for me. Who stand by and let their people fend for themselves.

I don't like either of you.

However, I do like Whiterun and Jarl B and the people of Whiterun.

Both of you have mis behaved and all Jarl B wanted to do was take care of his hold and his people.

I respect that... alot. Causes come and go but a good man who will defend his people against God and the world, is something you seldom find.

The thing of it is, hopefully Gen Tully can follow thru a help fix the Empire's problems. Of course, Jarl B can always ask the Imperials to leave. Something to admire about the Empire. Would the Stormcloaks leave? No.

For Whiterun. For... the Empire.

Hmph proud and arrogant. You've still got that Imperial Blood in you, I see. I suppose neither of us will ever be convinced of anything. But I will leave you with this, we aren't the terrorists in this thing, remember who the real enemy is.

Hehehe. Well I dunno then. You know... they used to call George Washington a terrorist too once upon a time...

Although, sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.

 

[LegateFasendil]

And paying for your treaty with your subjects (who just scarred a generation for their empire) is cowardly and traitorous. Trust me, they want to and are preparing for the next fight against the elves.

It was everyone's choice. Including Skyrim's. You cannot side with the Empire and then turn your back when it's convenient. That's called being a traitor.

Because it's high time they do. They've gone and died for the empire, took on multitudes of refugees of a race they've been ancient enemies with, and their reward was the concordat.

As has every other race have died for the Empire, including High elves. Ulfric and the stormcloaks didn't take in the dunmer, they came long before the stormcloaks (The army) were even a thing. It's not our fault that Skyrim decided to attack morrowind during/after the Oblivion Crisis. If anything, they should take responsibility just as the Dunmer did for what they did to the Argonians.

So the Redguards have abandoned their traditions by renouncing the Empire and declaring themselves independent from the Dominion and Empire? If anything they've gone back to the good ol' days.

Redguards and Nords are nothing alike. Not to mention the whole Crowns and Forebears is literally that exact issue that's plagued them for over a thousand years. There are no "good ol' days" for the Nords. Just War.

Change won't come from sitting around and being content with mediocrity.

No one was sitting around. The Empire and Thalmor are building their armies. Just because they don't flash it around, doesn't mean it isn't happening. Hell, they barely even hide it, from both sides. Yet stormcloaks are so far up their own asses to see what's going to happen, they are blind, by choice to it all.

No the Emporer signed it, and then paid off all the Jarls as a band-aid solution. What more do you want from Nords? They were with Tiber from the start, and they played a crucial role in the Great War. You can only ask a people for so much and continue taking from them.

But it's Ulfric keeping them sheltered and fed. He could tell them to hit the road. Morrowind being attacked by them is a rumor. Not sure why you're even bringing that up, considering Ulfrics not even born for another 200 years. Adril Arano doesn't mention any Nords attacking them, but he does seem to remember a certain Empire leaving them for dead.

I'm not talking about Nords, I'm talking about Redguards going back to more traditional methods.

Alright, if you have faith in your Legions who haven't been at full strength since the Oblivion Crisis and are now more depleted than ever, and in your Emporer floating around somewhere in the Void, and in your Elder Council trying to take over, and in your lack of Hammerfell, then go for it.

You have missed what it means to have faith. Flown right past it at light speed.

I have faith in Gen Tully and the Elder Council. And... in Jarl E of all people.

Having Faith means you know there's nothing you can do about this. You realize that doing things like murdering your neighbors won't help anyone and then you surrender your will to God(s) and know that they are working on your behalf.

Though, sometimes you have to meet God halfway.

 

[DrunkenMage]

 

[DrunkenMage]

Morrowind being attacked by them is a rumor. Not sure why you're even bringing that up, considering Ulfrics not even born for another 200 years. Adril Arano doesn't mention any Nords attacking them, but he does seem to remember a certain Empire leaving them for dead.

Morrowind being attacked by them is considered lore. Nord warriors from Skyrim with Orc mercenaries assaulted House Redoran. The Nords were also attacking the Legion forts.

Adril Arano doesn't mention that the Argonians were stopping the Empire from getting into Morrowind, and recovering the lands invaded by the An-Xileel.

 

[TheQahnaarin]

Well didn't Ivory say there are severe spiritual consequences if they use too much of the forest?

No. I said there are severe spiritual consequences for Bosmer. It would probably take the Death of the Silvenar, King of Valenwood, Wilderkin and the Green Lady to completely unbind the pacts made by the Bosmer and Y'ffre.

After that, the Valenwood would be wild again, free to do as it pleased.

Whiterun had plenty of warning, and I'd imagine the fireballs were aimed at specific, military targets. Still not as bad as encouraging mercanaries to do what they wish with civilians.

There was no warning if you're on the Imperial side. You take Ulfric the axe, he tells you to go back, refusing it and as a result, by the time you get there and deliver the message, the city is already under attack. Also, Many of those fireballs hit homes, ironically destroying Heimskr's home, and if we wanted to talk realistically, would have destroyed breezehome, the blacksmith's home, and probably part of the companions home as well simple due to the debris and rubble from Heimskr's home. MANY civilians would (and should) have died.

Reckless stuff:
Breylna's experiment
J'zargo's experiment
Arniel's experiment
The decision to remove the Eye from Saarthal
Going to Saarthal in the first place
Letting Ancano in under no obligation to do so
Aren's actions at the Librythian
I would say telling the Nords to suck it up is a bit unfair, it's their lives and homes on the line.

1. Inside the college, optional.
2. Away from Winterhold. Usually in an undead area. Optional.
3. Inside the College.
4. Leaving it INSIDE Saarthal would have been a mistake after it was uncovered. No doubt the Thalmor would have been at it if they'd left it there.
5. Because people wanting to study the ancient magics of a people who ironically hate magic now, and uncover the history of Tamriel is such an evil thing to do right?
6. We don't know the details to Ancano's purpose in the college beyond being an advisor and going crazy mad with power (which annoys me, he should have been fleshed out more)
7. He was young, and it wasn't his idea to go to begin with. All of them made the choice to go inside. If he didn't do what he did, Morokei would have been free and caused terrible destruction in his wake.

It's ironic that you call them reckless and blame them for everything, but when they fix it or use preventative measures to stop something from getting too out of hand, it's still their fault if they had to do something drastic to PROTECT people.

It's on Balgruuf to warn his people then, considering he's challenged Ulfric. I suppose the sieges machines do end up causing harm to civilians, and I'm not proud of that but considering Whiterun was warned by/challenged Ulfric the city guard should have given sufficient warning to the populace, as they do have at least about 12 hours prior knowledge of the imminent attack.

Those examples are simply meant to prove the College's tendancy to stumble into disaster.

 

[DrunkenMage]

It's on Balgruuf to warn his people then, considering he's challenged Ulfric. I suppose the sieges machines do end up causing harm to civilians, and I'm not proud of that but considering Whiterun was warned by/challenged Ulfric the city guard should have given sufficient warning to the populace, as they do have at least about 12 hours prior knowledge of the imminent attack.

Quentin: "They have catapults."
Balgruuf: "Damnit. Where'd they get catapults? The city walls are already falling apart as it is."

 

[TheQahnaarin]

Not going for Cyrodiil would mean the majority of the Legions able to go on the offensive and everything is open to a counter attack.

Not going for all of Cyrodiil. They should have kept with their plan of pinning down the Legions in Cyrodiil. Keeping a defensive war, close to reinforcements of Valenwood/Elsweyr. Pushing too far ahead too soon, simply left them spread out.

By definition, Battlemages don't use shields.

They fight alongside formations, there is no rule that Battlemages don't use shields. By definition they're a mix of warrior/scholar. Legionaries fight in formation, Mages attached to Legions fight also in formation.

The people will want someone to look to, dragons and war will probably leave a bit of an impact on a generation already scarred from the Great War. Even if the Legion is in fantastic shape (which it almost certainly isn't or the war would've begun already) you'll want to recruit from Skyrim so
a) You can have lots of talented warriors for the upcoming war
b) You can stop policing Skyrim and get back to the matter at hand

People look to different things. Chances are they will look to the legend of the Dragonborn, than anyone else. The Empire not rushing to war isn't a sign of Legions being in poor shape, in fact they have enough manpower to fortify the southern border, escort trade shipments across Cyrodiil and form up to march into Skyrim once Pale Pass is clear.

Tullius and Rikke don't even make mention of recruiting in Skyrim after the Civil War is finished. Unlike the Stormcloaks, they're not planning on building up any army, they have one in Cyrodiil. If large forces were required, Tullius and Rikke would have recruiting/training as a high priority. The only thing they're concerned with is bringing order back to Skyrim, and keeping the region stable.

Missing the Legion life has more to do with it being the only option at the time, not cause they loved upholding the Empire's ideals I'm guessing. I'm sure joining the army Ulfric is building will be just as much fun.

Joining the Legion is basically tradition among many Nord families. You hear Legionaries mention they joined because of their father, and father's father. Missing the Legion is an attachment, thinking back to your friends and brothers in arms. I don't see how to a rich powerful family it was "the only option" .

At that point it's just them and High Rock, and trade with them just got a hundred times more difficult. Skyrim meets all those as well, except the climate and crossroads one. EETC still operates in Skyrim.

Don't see how trade gets difficult, trade vessels travel from Cyrodiil to Skyrim and High Rock is closer. Climate is very important, it is mentioned that only Rorikstead is the only reliable farm in all of Skyrim. Yes the EETC still operates, but we don't know for how long. Ulfric intends to wipe out all "Imperial influences", EETC could be considered as one.

But their natural abilities will make training less time consuming. A large number of them are already experienced warriors. Former Legionaires are also the ones training them.

It doesn't make training less time consuming, not every Nord is a natural warrior. The Stormcloaks do some experienced people among their ranks, and former Legionaries will train them. But, what happens if the Great War were to break out right after the death of Titus Mede II or soon after the Cviil War ends? Are the Stormcloaks going to abandon Skyrim to join the war? Your standing army is made up of your Hold Guards and farmers/other tradesmen. You sacrificed your economy and Hold security to push out the Empire, that is a temporary solution.

You Stormcloaks are mostly Eastern Hold citizens. You killed majority of the Hold Guards/citizens who joined the Legion in the Western Holds. You had to replace those guards with your own, sacrificing the security of the East to secure the West. Windhelm doesn't have enough guards, Dawnstar is lacking, Riften etc. Now this also effects the Western Holds under your control, Markarth alone is demanding extra Stormcloaks to enslave and suppress the Forsworn, Falkreath is pleading for forces to defend Skyrim from Cyrodiil Counter-attack (Although the Legionary Veterans hidden in the Hills might stop that letter from even reaching Ulfric).

Now comes economy concerns, you're made up of large numbers of farmers and other tradesmen. Who replaces them? They joined to push out the Legion, I doubt many of them thought through what consequences would happen without them farming/repairing/selling things. You also see this in Eastmarch where the Mill lost all it's workers to the war, without anyone thinking about the arrows that are made from the wood supplied. You no longer get the free resources and food from the Empire, so things like this will have major consequences.

So if the war was to break out right after the Civil War. Ulfric's plan is to take the entire army to the Dominion. You're either f*ucking over all of Skyrim majorly to fight this war Ulfric plans to lead you towards or you're sitting it out while iron out the "minor details".

But they can go wherever they want, and they have bases of operations in every province. Espionage inside the Dominion will be harder than ever, and in Alinor impossible, while Imperial generals are playing host to Justiciars. The next war is obvious, but if a Thalmor operative were to find information about when or where (which could be across the street from one of their embassies), that could jeopardize everything.

They can't go wherever they want. Thalmor Justiciars only have the power to ensure the White-Gold Concordat is followed, and are only allowed increased presence if there is a large open violation (Them using the Civil War as an excuse to launch a large inquisition in Skyrim).

Tullius has to deal with the Thalmor because he is in Skyrim under a political fashion, as well as a Military function. He's the Military Govenor of Skyrim, acting head of state.

Where the next war will be? Where the armies are.

Think about how effective Thalmor espionage was before, and now the Empire has open doors.

Just lets us round them up, cut off their heads and mail Alinor with an Ultimatum of our own.

Still, Skyrim could get by without importing everything. Whiterun on its own supplies food for the whole province.

No Whiterun doesn't. The area surprisingly is considered poor for farming, hence why Rorikstead is rumored to use magic. Those who do succeed end up quite rich, hence how the Battle-Borns came into wealth. There are farms all over Skyrim that provide what little they can.

That would be High Rock's local forces guarding Wayrest anyway, not the legions.

You don't know that, Markarth wasn't guarded by Skyrim's local forces apparently but had Legions. There is conscription at times, or when Legionaries are loaned to counties and local rulers.

Well didn't Ivory say there are severe spiritual consequences if they use too much of the forest?

Only Valenwood Bosmer who do it. Altmer, other races are fine. With Elsweyr as a client state, gathering workers won't be too hard. Both Elsweyr and Alinor practice slavery.

Whiterun had plenty of warning, and I'd imagine the fireballs were aimed at specific, military targets. Still not as bad as encouraging mercanaries to do what they wish with civilians.

They didn't have plenty of warning, the catapults were a surprise but the Legion had prepared water carriers just in case. Aimed at Military targets? What my house and Belethor's shop? They're catapults, not smart missiles. There were Civilians running around screaming, with guards/soldiers yelling at them to get inside.

The Empire doesn't encourage mercenaries to do as they please, that was just me saying they could. In fact there were some mercenaries in Cyrodiil who were punished for raiding a civilian trade caravan. Probably put to death or sent to prison/contract torn up.

I'd imagine very costly.

That is why you send the mercenaries in first. Weakens the enemy and means less people to pay after the war ends.

Destroying the Empire is a means to an end. Lorkhan is the most unholy thing imaginable to them, and therefore mankind isn't far behind.

The Thalmor seek to recreate a new Merethic Era, Elven domination. That requires the Imperial Empire to be gone, because the Thalmor view themselves as the true rulers of Tamriel. Mankind is more something to be enslaved.

Reckless stuff:
Breylna's experiment
J'zargo's experiment
Arniel's experiment
The decision to remove the Eye from Saarthal
Going to Saarthal in the first place
Letting Ancano in under no obligation to do so
Aren's actions at the Librythian
I would say telling the Nords to suck it up is a bit unfair, it's their lives and homes on the line.

So they shouldn't do research? If you remark that dangerous research must be a problem, he will explain: "Not often, no. Some risks must be taken, to be sure. I am simply trying to avoid untimely deaths. We also must make an effort to avoid worsening what Skyrim thinks of us."

They removed the Eye from Saarthal, because it was the best option. To study, but also to safeguard from others. They went to Saarthal to simply study, gather little artifacts, study ancient wards, check out some pots. Didn't intend to look for the Eye.

Aren's actions at the ruin? You mean freezing the Dragon Priest in time? Going there wasn't his idea, it was that female Mage in the party. Also I'd hardly blame the College, they were left in the dark.

I'll give you the Thalmor fellow, but they did not know what he would try do.

They should suck it up. For thousands of years it was their pride and joy having the College. Then the Oblivion Crisis happened, and instead of thanking the College Mages for defending Skyrim against Oblivion Gates and the Mythic Dawn Cult, they were shunned. Then the Great Collapse happened, but of course it had to be the College's fault.

I'm guessing the Dragonborn won't be around much longer, the only logical endings for him are being lured into Apocrypha or assassination by the Thalmor. Those are the only things I can come up with, and neither of those will really inspire anyone.

Then screw Skyrim for now, most Imperial arguments are about "the greater good", so forget Skyrim, let that vile dictator Ulfric take over, and focus on the elves. You seem to think the Empire is fine without Skyrim, and there's nothing there worth having, they couldn't even be self-sufficient. Ulfric wins, and you don't have to babysit a province with serious loyalty issues and that has "recently been ravaged by civil war and dragons".

The only option for adventure and travel that's stable and not overly dangerous.

Hmm, this is a very good argument you have here. I'm assuming the sheer population that has to be shrunk down for the game will help here. It's also younger people joining the fight, take Gerdur for example. And people like Hermir who recognize they can do their part while not being on the battlefield. I'm sure the Jarls and Ulfric are aware of this, there's hopefully some plan in place.

Oh, right, because the Thalmor would never go any where they aren't supposed to. They're right across the street from who knows what kind of sensitive Imperial documents, and then they can head back to their embassy at the end of the day for a nice hot meal in the company of their fellow Justiciars.

Maybe some poor choice of words, but I'm sure there's something a Justiciar could dig up that may completely turn the tide.

From UESP- "Surrounding the capital, Whiterun, are fertile plains dotted with farms that supply the food for much of Skyrim."

I think it was all of Markarth's guards went to join the legions, im going off of how in Skyrim it's all "city guard" and not the Legion guarding the holds.

If they didn't have warning it was Balgruuf's fault. It was either Ulfric giving him the axe and Balgruuf taking exception, or Balgruuf challenging Ulfric.

The examples are just there to prove the CoW tendancy to get into trouble. Can't you just picture some apprentice practicing a spell, nothing happens, and then he looks out his window and Winterhold is falling into the sea? I don't think there's proof of the College fighting the daedra.

That's just who the Nords are, they aren't a very trusting people, and understandably magic has fallen out of favour.

 

[Ivory]

You're a faggot, Harry

You brat. Show the forums and it's people here some respect. We love this place because no one flames or harasses others. If you want to look cool or be "funny" using memes and anti-gay slurs, go back to 4chan where you belong and leave the rest of us to be content with polite, more well mannered members.

That goes for Fasendil too.

 

[Ivory]

It's on Balgruuf to warn his people then, considering he's challenged Ulfric. I suppose the sieges machines do end up causing harm to civilians, and I'm not proud of that but considering Whiterun was warned by/challenged Ulfric the city guard should have given sufficient warning to the populace, as they do have at least about 12 hours prior knowledge of the imminent attack.

Those examples are simply meant to prove the College's tendancy to stumble into disaster.

Where are you magically getting this 12 hour time frame from? The Guard are clearly trying to protect the citizens as the Stormcloaks invade.

The same can be said about the Nords as well. They've warred with every single race, Elves, and man alike as well as beasts. Usually starting the wars or battles. So when the nords to something to expand it's considered a good thing, but if the Mages want to uncover the history of Tamriel while the students know of the risks and the precautions, they're monsters?

Or are you suggesting the College bound themselves to the mercy of the magic hating people of Winterhold? Because that works absolute wonders in Dragon Age's world, oh wait, no, it doesn't. It doesn't work in real life, and unless you want to drastically run skyrim as a 100% merciless, magicless rule, the College has done nothing to warrant their undeserved hatred. Murphy's law. Anything that can happen, will happen. Or should we live in fear? Did the Nords live in fear after the Snow elves wiped them out? Did the Nords live in fear during the Planemeld? No?

Then why fear now? Why be afraid of something that once made the nords the most powerful race above not only the Snow elves, but the almighty Alyeids?

Because they fear, and don't want to understand Magic.

Magic isn't the enemy, it's who uses it. Just as a blade in the hand of an assassin is more dangerous in their hand then a child's. Same as the whole "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

In the world of Tamriel, you either die of old age, die by magic, or die by a weapon. Why single out Magic as evil or the College as the Culprit? Because it's easy instead of working with the college to solve the answer. Instead, they shun and abandon and ridicule anyone who uses it. Just as they like to blame the Empire for their troubles.

 

[LegateFasendil]

You're a faggot, Harry

You brat. Show the forums and it's people here some respect. We love this place because no one flames or harasses others. If you want to look cool or be "funny" using memes and anti-gay slurs, go back to 4chan where you belong and leave the rest of us to be content with polite, more well mannered members.

That goes for Fasendil too.

That goes for you too Ivory.

In fact, I think we've all crossed the line on occasion. Sometimes you have to. Hehehe

Either way I have asked them to shut off my account, so I am gone. Rejoice! I'd stay but too much going on anyways and now's a good time to leave.


@Mikulaus Black Blade

Maybe you could view terrorism as a tool or something, it's just I've dealt with those kinds of people before. And it really makes me mad when people do things like putting other people on display for example. Or making an example out of someone to prove a point instead of just speaking their mind. Or someone else makes a mistake and you come behind like you're a saint trying to correct everyone. Or someone is trying to help and so you just ignore them or don't support them.

And that's not sarcasm at all.