Thalmor funding to civilize the Falmer so that they may reclaim Skyrim, why or why not?

[Tyer032392]

Er, I stated facts about lore. People responded trying to argue.

Yet it is not stated directly in the game in terms of lore that the Thalmor are evil. The only indication that we have that the Thalmor are evil is from Delphine and Esbern (remaining Blades members), the occasional Thalmor escorting a prisoner to North Watch keep for worshiping Talos (Heck, I still wonder why they never grab the priest in Whiterun, that guy gets annoying after a while), and just a few NPC's who have had bad experiences by the Thalmor. Also, there are very few books detailing what the Thalmor have done, with the only one that I know that supports your statement being on "The Flight from the Thalmor". On the other hand, we have seen the Thalmor trying to intervene in the Execution at the beginning of the game (To save Ulfric more than likely), present at the peace talks, and also explain why they are rooting out Talos worship and none of the other divine worship.

 

[Tyer032392]

Er, there's tons of canon lore that isn't in the games. Guess you've never been to the IL before. The Thalmor are evil, per the Devs.

Yet there is very little proof that the Thalmor is evil. And just because someone says something, does not automatically mean you should believe it. It's like saying that the Dev's state that "You can jump off a mountain and not die in Skyrim". We know that is not entirely true, unless you use Become Ethereal and survive the jump. What I am getting at is because there is a lack of evidence that the dev's left out on purpose so that we would be having this argument in the first place. Anyways, you claim that these "Kids" are trolling, and yet you are the one who derailed this thread from its original discussion, so in a fact you are the one trolling.

 

[Two Bears]

Lets play a game of chronology. I post a fact. People try to argue, are rude and try to rate my initial (and factual) posts negatively. I get them out of there for throwing stones in glass houses. Seems like they're the troll kiddies.

Okay, let's play chronology.

Yeah, the Thalmor would just enslave them. Or eradicate them for not being suitable as slaves. LOL at people that didn't know this. Guess these people don't now much about the Thalmor.

There's what you said back on page two. What illicits that response? That people don't agree with you? I've got new for ya buddy. Disagreeing with you, or me, or that guy walking down the street is neither illegal nor sinful. So, some random internet dude doesn't listen to what you have to say about the lore. Does that mean it's time to go into attack mode? So you post these little jabs about not knowing things about lore or reading inferior websites, which is all designed to piss the people off get them to retaliate. That's classical trolling.

Stop it, man. Act like an adult.

 

[Fiiralmo]

While I don't agree with the Thalmor tactics, I admit that they're one of the few races that would care enoug to re-educate the Falmer. The Nords would be happiest seeing them wiped out, the Empire doesn't give a damn....and on some level, both Altmer and Falmer are kin. I can't stand those of you that hate on Thalmor just because of SOME evil actions. Just because they kill worshippers of one god, doesn't make them evil.

Thank you for understanding!

 

[Tyer032392]

There's what you said back on page two. What illicits that response? That people don't agree with you? I've got new for ya buddy. Disagreeing with you, or me, or that guy walking down the street is neither illegal nor sinful. So, some random internet dude doesn't listen to what you have to say about the lore. Does that mean it's time to go into attack mode? So you post these little jabs about not knowing things about lore or reading inferior websites, which is all designed to piss the people off get them to retaliate. That's classical trolling.

Stop it, man. Act like an adult.

Hey man, I would leave this guy alone if I was you. There is no need to get an infraction from this website by derailing this thread anymore than it already has. He Who Once Was Here has already proven to be trolling this thread by his constant rating spam, which kinda reminds me of ShannonRutherford's trolling a few weeks ago. Chances are it is probably the same person who is doing this over a different IP address as this guy is acting just like SR did before S/He got banned.

 

[Fiiralmo]

You do not need to deal with the Nords directly. I assure you that our interests do not lay with them. They're trust does offer some significant advantages. Perhaps an alliance? As the power lays with the Dominion at the moment, it is our belief that the buttered side should remain up.

Yes, we do hold the power. You have not specified which faction you belong to. If you can convince me that Placing Thalmor trust in you for the future prosperity of the Falmer is a good idea, we can make you veeeeerrry rich

 

[Two Bears]

Ah, you can't play chronology. Figures. Go look at post #21. Yeah, that's what I thought. You couldn't even find the original post, lol.

I read it. No one quoted you afterwards. No one was talking to you. So then you throw a tantrum. Now you're getting the attention you want. You're acting like a kid. A spoiled one at that. Time to grow up, Peter Pan.

 

[Two Bears]

Newbs tried to disagree. I LOLed at those that didnt know what they were talking about. Nothing rude with that.

If you don't understand why your behavior was rude, then I am afraid that you've got bigger problems than TES lore. Unfortunate business, there. Damn unfortunate.

 

[Fiiralmo]

Newbs tried to disagree, by rating spam. I LOLed at those that didnt know what they were talking about. Nothing rude with that. I said no names. Those that know who they are, know who it was aimed at.

GET OUT OF MY THREAD NOW YOU TROLL

 

[Tyer032392]

Er, I haven't rated spammed anyone. More like the other way around. Try reading and knowing what is going on before failing.

Funny, because looking back at all the rating you have given are of the negative side. You are in fact rating spamming just because someone else did it to you. I know how that works, and you basically leave yourself open to being reported by the members for that spamming. You can try to claim you are not spamming, but for being here two days and given out the amount of bad ratings you have only further proves you are spamming. If someone spams you with bad ratings, do not retaliate, just report them to the admins and they will take care of it.

 

[Fiiralmo]

Nope. Try reading. Guess your just mad that you didnt know that the Thalmor being evil is lore.

L.E.A.V.E.

 

[Two Bears]

Hey man, I would leave this guy alone if I was you. There is no need to get an infraction from this website by derailing this thread anymore than it already has. He Who Once Was Here has already proven to be trolling this thread by his constant rating spam, which kinda reminds me of ShannonRutherford's trolling a few weeks ago. Chances are it is probably the same person who is doing this over a different IP address as this guy is acting just like SR did before S/He got banned.

Thanks man, I appreciate the sentiment. They're not going to ban me for sticking up for you guys.

 

[Tyer032392]

Nope. Try reading. Guess your just mad that you didnt know that the Thalmor being evil is lore.

So speaks the Troll!

No matter, everything I've said stands and are known facts to the actual lore buffs. In the end, all I've done is enlighten the ignorant with actual lore, and was trolled and spammed for it.

And yet you have proven nothing but being a Troll. I find it funny to say the less. Oh, and let's not forget how you quickly derailed this thread with non-stop spamming of pretending to be the "Lore Master" of the Elder Scrolls series.

 

[Fiiralmo]

Goals and beliefs are different things, you'd still need to try to go for the harmonious relationship for the sake of the Falmers' return being good news, and in respect to everything they used to stand for. And to finish, this project will remain something to be watched by the other major forces in order to be sure that everything is respected to the letter. The mess with the Talos worship is one thing, saying that a creature like me, even if officially harmless, should be extreminated is another thing, and I don't think I'm actually uglier than a falmer.

Besides, you could even turn that around and get collaborations from these major forces, with the Thalmor establishing the plans.

If this goes though you may watch us all you want, you'll be suprised that there will be nothing "evil" going on

 

[Tyer032392]

Yes, you're mad because I know more lore than you ever will and backed it up. Get over it.

And yet you still refuse to either link it or quote it. You should be the one to "Get over it" troll!

 

[Fiiralmo]

Yes, you're mad because I know more lore than you ever will and backed it up. Get over it.

You can either participate in the discussion intended by this thread, or leave. This topic means something to me and your really ruining the discussion we had started here

 

[Two Bears]

Ultimately it comes down to this. Bethesda's games are Bethesda's games. Sure, they do get to decide the lore, but they are also famous for grey areas and choices of morality. If you think the Dark Brotherhood are good guys, you can think that. If you think that blowing up Megaton is the way to go, then it is the way to go. If you think Caesar's Legion is the hope of humanity, then it is. And if you think the Thalmor might have some good side to them, then you can have that thought. Not I nor anyone is the emperor of your imagination. I can argue that it isn't lore-friendly, but in the end lore be damned. It's your money, it's your copy of the game, it's your world.

 

[Tyer032392]

Like I already said, go read MK's posts on the IL. Use the search function. I'm not here to read for newbs too.

No, the rate spammers ruined it, as can be seen on the first page.

I've checked dozens of times and there is nothing coming up in the search engine supporting what you say. Still looking though, if it makes your little feeble feelings any better.

 

[Fiiralmo]

Ultimately it comes down to this. Bethesda's games are Bethesda's games. Sure, they do get to decide the lore, but they are also famous for grey areas and choices of morality. If you think the Dark Brotherhood are good guys, you can think that. If you think that blowing up Megaton is the way to go, then it is the way to go. If you think Caesar's Legion is the hope of humanity, then it is. And if you think the Thalmor might have some good side to them, then you can have that thought. Not I nor anyone is the emperor of you imagination. I can argue that it isn't lore-friendly, but in the end lore be damned. It's your money, it's your copy of the game, it's your world and I am not the emperor of your imagination.

YES YES YES! THANK YOU! Thats what I was looking for! I am a role-player, I fill in the grey-areas with my beliefs, and others do the same. Let everyone believe what they want. This thread is about the Falmer, NOT LORE

 

[Tyer032392]

You seem to be the one with hurt feelings. What I say is commonly known.

Actually, I am indifferent with what you have said. Though, it seems that you have the hurt feelings that you have to harass everyone who does not agree with you and with your non-stop lore master bull crap!