Damsel in Distress: Part 2 - Tropes vs Women in Video Games (video)

[Stephen Daidalus]

48% of female democrats label themselves as feminist, as opposed to 14% of republican women.

So, do I have to agree with everything liberals believe in down the line to be considered a liberal, Stephen?

I agree with liberals about 80% of the time. (I'm guesstimating here) I'd say i identify with liberals much more than conservatives, so therefore I would label myself as liberal.

I don't believe in feminism. I'm an egalitarianist. I believe in the rights of individuals, not groups, but I agree with liberal policies much more than conservative ones. I actually don't think feminists will be happy until 51% of all positions of power are held by women.

To be a liberal in my mind, you'd have to agree, more or less, with people I think of as liberals. I think of the Democratic Party as a right wing party which contains very few liberals at all.

Edit: As far as tropes in video games, I think what the Democratic Party is up to in the middle east is largely irrelevant, since I can still buy these games, but I can't vote either for or against any American political party.

 

[Medea]

To be a liberal in my mind, you'd have to agree, more or less, with people I think of as liberals. I think of the Democratic Party as a right wing party which contains very few liberals at all.

I don't know. In a way, I hear what people from Europe say about liberals (in the U.S.) being right wing and conservatives being extreme right wing, and I think they might have a point. On the other hand, I think people can be very liberal over here, but the problem is that the republicans are so effective in getting half of the stupid country to agree with them, with their propaganda giant in Fox News, the democrats have a very hard time battling against their views. I think a little dose of socialism is what we need over here, but people believe that capitalism is infallible for some reason. That the free market can save us all. Can I move over there??

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

I don't know. In a way, I hear what people from Europe say about liberals (in the U.S.) being right wing and conservatives being extreme right wing, and I think they might have a point. On the other hand, I think people can be very liberal over here, but the problem is that the republicans are so effective in getting half of the stupid country to agree with them, with their propaganda giant in Fox News, the democrats have a very hard time battling against their views. I think a little dose of socialism is what we need over here, but people believe that capitalism is infallible for some reason. That the free market can save us all. Can I move over there??

I'm British, but I live in Canada. You can certainly move here, but depending on where you live, you may have to leave your gun behind. You won't miss it, though. In 2011, Chicago --with a population of 2.7 million-- had 431 homicides. With a population of 34 million, in 2011, Canada had 598 homicides. It's fairly safe here.

 

[utael]

But how many of those homicides invoked a legally owned firearm? Off the gun debate, CNN comes to mind as a democratic media giant. I'm sorry but if you get facts from either of these "news" networks you need to rethink about voting. On the topic of feminist issues. I don't think they would stop at 51%. I am agaisnt equal opportunity workforce due to being turned down for jobs just because I'm a white male. When does it become racist to hire an under qualified worker just because of race it gender?

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

On the topic of feminist issues. I don't think they would stop at 51%. I am agaisnt equal opportunity workforce due to being turned down for jobs just because I'm a white male.

You're against equality in the workforce -- because you think it sucks to be denied a job on the basis of your gender or race? How does that work? You think white males are more deserving of a job? It only sucks to be denied a job based on race if you're white?

 

[utael]

No it should be based on your ability to do the job. It was me and one other candidate and she had less quallifications, and less experience, and demanded more pay but she got the job because she would ne the only female in that company.

Also equal opportunity means nothing of that it means they get government tax breaks for hireing a certain percentage of minorities.

 

[Doctor Langstrom]

No it should be based on your ability to do the job. It was me and one other candidate and she had less quallifications, and less experience, and demanded more pay but she got the job because she would ne the only female in that company.

Also equal opportunity means nothing of that it means they get government tax breaks for hireing a certain percentage of minorities.

Women are making more money than men? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?! Maybe she got the job because she can actually spell?

 

[Dagmar]

At 22 I doubt you have any significant experience over your peers in your field. As someone who takes part in hiring decisions I can tell you there are multiple factors in selecting a candidate for a position and blankly claiming you're more "qualified" is subjectively vague as to impart no meaning at all. It would be more constructive if you looked at each situation objectively to assess what you need to do to make yourself more viable than to adopt a psuedo victim mentality of "it must be because I'm a white male".

The undeniable fact is that women as a whole are underpaid and under-promoted when compared to male peers with the same experience and education. It's an understatement to say that claiming that white males are victims of gender discrimination in that context is suspect.

 

[utael]

Thats not the way it is in my field. Granted there are very few women attempting to get in the stage hand line of work. The reason I said I was more qualified was I have worked 6 years in the entertainment industry, ranging from a lowly stage hand, to a designer, to a leader of a crew of 5 to get a show up and running. This woman was 19 years old never attended any form of college education, worked one summer on a high school production and had no other qualifications that she helped "build a show" (which meant in her case helping paint a set) the job in question was for a Lighting technician for a production house (specializing in rock concerts) she got the gig and I didn't.

And while I know doctor is just looking for a way to troll, I will grant him my spelling is a bit off due to not a lot of communication based in writing or in emails. Most of my conversations consist of phone calls or in person. I see it all the time in my industry with "equal opportunity employers" where the guy looses out on the job because the company hasn't hit their "quota" of minorities.

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

No it should be based on your ability to do the job. It was me and one other candidate and she had less quallifications, and less experience, and demanded more pay but she got the job because she would ne the only female in that company.

Also equal opportunity means nothing of that it means they get government tax breaks for hireing a certain percentage of minorities.

And how should a woman or an African or a Muslim respond when the same thing happens to them, as it surely does, with far greater frequency?

 

[utael]

The same way I did, Talk to the employer about why I wasn't chosen and if at all what qualities I would need to be hired. I honestly don't feel that there is as many issues as there was in the past of companies hiring solely on race or gender. Its not become harder for someone who's spent time and money on education to get a job if they are a white male. I'm not saying that equal opportunity had its place, just like unions had their place its just not that big of a deal any more. At least it is in my area.

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

The same way I did, Talk to the employer about why I wasn't chosen and if at all what qualities I would need to be hired. I honestly don't feel that there is as many issues as there was in the past of companies hiring solely on race or gender. Its not become harder for someone who's spent time and money on education to get a job if they are a white male. I'm not saying that equal opportunity had its place, just like unions had their place its just not that big of a deal any more. At least it is in my area.

And did talking to your employer help you get a job? Do you think an employer would tell a black woman that she wasn't hired because she was a black woman? And if she were told that, what do you suggest she do about it?

"Women currently earn significantly more Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's degrees than men and almost as many Doctorates.[110] Women are projected to have passed men in Doctorates earned in 2006–2007, and to earn nearly two thirds of Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's degrees by 2016."

Yet the median male worker earns 68.36% more than the median female.

Among those with a doctorate degree, the median income for white males is $77,818, while for white females it is $56,759.

More dramatic disparities appear when you look at income by race.

Do you really believe that these still huge income gaps are because all these women and African-Americans and Latinos are less qualified?