Medea
The Shadow Queen
Actually, if I hated my government, and was being persecuted and denied any justice, I would probably help the invaders.
Can't Decide between Stormcloaks or Imperials...
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Actually, if I hated my government, and was being persecuted and denied any justice, I would probably help the invaders.
Koala Jack
If it bleeds.
The imperials are following the orders of the White-Gold-Concordant (by not worshiping Talos.)
The Stormcloaks are rightfully angry, but the only thing saving Skyrim from being decimated by the Aldmeri Dominion (a much larger, more viscous foe) is the WGC (more technically the Empire is saving Skyrim by agreeing to the treaty.) Also, "Talos" built the Empire that Ulfric is now rebelling against (so technically the Imperials are trying desperately to hold onto the very thing that made him "god-like".)
That's like saying "YEAH I fluffING LOVE SEA CREATURES!" then signing a petition stating you want the oceans drained...
Ulfric is power hungry, on top of racist and ignorant. If the Stormcloaks won (hypothetical they couldn't) the elves would invade Skyrim and wipe their ass with his skin.
EDIT: I'm LOL'ing at the responses involving the Iraq War because they are so off.
The Stormcloaks are rightfully angry, but the only thing saving Skyrim from being decimated by the Aldmeri Dominion (a much larger, more viscous foe) is the WGC (more technically the Empire is saving Skyrim by agreeing to the treaty.) Also, "Talos" built the Empire that Ulfric is now rebelling against (so technically the Imperials are trying desperately to hold onto the very thing that made him "god-like".)
That's like saying "YEAH I fluffING LOVE SEA CREATURES!" then signing a petition stating you want the oceans drained...
Ulfric is power hungry, on top of racist and ignorant. If the Stormcloaks won (hypothetical they couldn't) the elves would invade Skyrim and wipe their ass with his skin.
EDIT: I'm LOL'ing at the responses involving the Iraq War because they are so off.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
The Stormcloaks have been gathering for awhile, before the High King was killed. Ulfric became Jarl and started gathering forces, using the Talos ban as a rally, he wasn't gaining support so he killed the High King as a message to the other Jarls. He's probably been Jarl for several years, they have been mistreated since Ulfric became Jarl, Ulfric doesn't treat them like his fathers did. The problems in Windhelm are all Ulfric, it's a very good reason he shouldn't be High King. The man has bad management skills and has actually made his city poor. Windhelm's stockpiles are empty, they can't even make repairs to the city. It's one of the reasons I like the Free-Winter Jarl, he looks to make Windhelm great once more. It used to be the greatest city in Skyrim, now to be honest it's a plops hole.
Mookie
Active Member
You escape some giant hollocaust by a vulcano or something and a country takes you in and you wouldnt help out?
They arent treated like plops from the start, only after refusing to pitch in
Mookie
Active Member
City poor or not the war is waging on and Ulfric as a leader is expected to pitch in the most. Yeah he could drain the resources of the Jarls that suport him but what would that make him look like?
The dark elves are there for 200 years I guess, they arent treated like that before and they still refused to help out in the strugle of the people living with them. They were saved from red mountain explosion, and also nords could have just closed the gates and let them freeze to death. And they still refused. The reactions are pretty good to what would I expect in real life if something like that hapened
Koala Jack
If it bleeds.
The government in modern society is expected to make the first step, in whatever it is they are doing. If Ulfric stop dehumanizing the Dunmer, gave them equal opportunities, and pretty much made Windhelm a desirable place to exist, only good things would come.
More Dunmer would want to be there, they would see Ulfric as a good guy (which means more support) which means more people, which means a better chance at winning the civil war, which means a better chance at being able to openly worship Talos...
Must I continue?
Mookie
Active Member
They werent treated badly before they refused to help the stormcloaks.
And you think windhelm is undesirable to live in and gray quarter is bad?
Maybe a visit to morrowind will show them how lucky they are.
Koala Jack
If it bleeds.
No place is like home. Ever heard that saying?
Also, why would they help Ulfric when he clearly on the wrong side of the war?
Also, why would they help Ulfric when he clearly on the wrong side of the war?
Mookie
Active Member
Yeah no place like ash covered wasteland with ash spawns and no plant life.
How is he on the wrong side?
Koala Jack
If it bleeds.
Read my earlier posts, last page.
No place like home, meaning no matter what city they go to they won't feel at home, because they're not. They don't feel a need to defend Windhelm, why should they? Why should they choose to join Ulfric when Skyrim is still connected as a whole?
No place like home, meaning no matter what city they go to they won't feel at home, because they're not. They don't feel a need to defend Windhelm, why should they? Why should they choose to join Ulfric when Skyrim is still connected as a whole?
Mookie
Active Member
Then they should go home since they cant accept a new home but expect to be accepted.
They lived in Windhelm for 200 years, thats why
Koala Jack
If it bleeds.
Ulfric is not Windhelm.
I thoroughly believe you don't know what you're talking about.
I thoroughly believe you don't know what you're talking about.
Mookie
Active Member
Koala Jack
If it bleeds.
Stop believing everything then, it's bad to be gullible.
You're arguing morality and decency with war and politics.
Never do that.
You're arguing morality and decency with war and politics.
Never do that.
Mookie
Active Member
And why not?
Koala Jack
If it bleeds.
Before I explain, what is the highest level of government education you have received?
Gearuvagen
I know, You know
the Dunmer owe no allegiance to Ulfric and his so called "Rebellion". Why should they fight and die for a right to worship a "God" they don't give two sh!ts about? Because they're allowed to live IN the city? pfft, Ulfric let's them stay because his father let them stay and he would look like an ass if he tossed them out.
Mookie
Active Member
Mookie
Active Member
Go back to Morrowind then or dont expect to be treated equaly.
Koala Jack
If it bleeds.
I want pics of diploma or credits because everything you stated in this thread contradicts that. Polisci also deals with laws and all that jazz.
This is war.
