Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

[Anouck]

I haven't read through every post because I have a bloody life, however I from what I've seen no ones posted anything about the following

Ulrfric stormcloak's dossier in the embassy. If you care about taking mainland tamriel(all but summer set) from the thalmor join the imperials. If you want to play right into the thalmors plan, join the stormcloaks.



http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak

I posted this. Two or three times in the last few pages.. It has been used in this discussion. Over and over again

Don't even fl*ffing argue this post until you read and rehearsed the dossier on this discussion.

I can "fl*ffing argue" whatever I want. Thanks

 

[Kat'ir]

Glad this forum has intelligent people. I must have misse those pages. 677 pages...

 

[Anouck]

Glad this forum has intelligent people. I must have missed those pages. 677 bloody pages...

Haha. Not all of it is intelligent discussion though. Lots of it is flamewars and people recycling arguments that were proven wrong already. *le sigh

 

[Kat'ir]

I don't know if this makes me a bad person or not, but I don't like stupid ignorant stubborn dumbasses. Just my opinion. Not saying any of you are I just don't like them.

 

[Anouck]

I don't know if this makes me a bad person or not, but I don't like stupid ignorant stubborn dumbasses. Just my opinion. Not saying any of you are I just don't like them.

It indeed can't be very frustrating. Nothing wrong with ignorance, as long as people are willing to learn and move forward. Especially when they know they are being wrong but are either too arrogant/stubborn/childish to admit it.

 

[Kat'ir]

I concur. I got in a debate with my best friend about ulfric helping the thalmor(never said he was a traitor) and he didn't listen he just kept being childish...

 

[Anouck]

And calling me an asshole...

Well, when people turn to petty insults or personal attacks, that is a sign they are losing the debate. They ran out of arguments and decide to be rude. If people can't get their point across without typing in Caps Lock or name calling, they've lost already.

 

[Kat'ir]

Well, when people turn to petty insults or personal attacks, that is a sign they are losing the debate. They ran out of arguments and decide to be rude. If people can't get their point across without typing in Caps Lock or name calling, they've lost already.

That is so true. He only had a hand full of reasons for his side if the debate

"Ulfric would never betray the stormcloaks!"
"He would never betray skyrim!"
"And the imperials just suck! The stormcloaks are way better"

As you can see no evidence, no valid argument.

 

[Anouck]

Well, when people turn to petty insults or personal attacks, that is a sign they are losing the debate. They ran out of arguments and decide to be rude. If people can't get their point across without typing in Caps Lock or name calling, they've lost already.

That is so true. He only had a hand full of reasons for his side if the debate

"Ulfric would never betray the stormcloaks!"
"He would never betray skyrim!"
"And the imperials just suck! The stormcloaks are way better"

As you can see no evidence, no valid argument.

I have read good pro-Stormcloak arguments. It was really interesting. But it is not my job here to provide the opposition with points against me. They will have to go out and read it for themselves. Good arguments don't fall from the sky, you know. And with opinions and morals you won't make it.

 

[Kat'ir]

Indeed. The only reason I joined the stormcloaks was because I thought the empire weak, and I didn't wanna kill Ralof after escaping with him. The captain is the only imperial who wronged me. (Aside from guards arresting me all the god damn time)

 

[Anouck]

Indeed. The only reason I joined the stormcloaks was because I thought the empire weak, and I didn't wanna kill Ralof after escaping with him. The captain is the only imperial who wronged me. (Aside from guards arresting me all the god damn time)

The Empire used to be weak, but they are rebuilding forces quickly. The moment you start the game, Legion troops are at the border of the Dominion - preparing for round 2.

 

[Kat'ir]

I know right. And skyrim is the "groin" of the empire. By starting a rebellion they are castrating the empire. If the nords were quiet about talos worship no one be arrested. If they started building troops with the empire they would build the empire again. If the Redguarda started training more and in the legion or in skyrim they would be able to rise with them increasing the strength greatly. Also by allowing the dunmer to stay in wind helm they'd have another ally. The dominion wouldn't stand a chance against the fourth(or fith?) empire.

That was long...

 

[DrunkenMage]

I always liked how the Stormcloaks say their rebellion is about freedom of religion. Yet never once did we see anything about Talos come from Ulfric's lips, the only thing about Talos in the Stormcloak quest line is them black mailing a worshiper. Real freedom fighters.

So that leaves me to wonder, in what way can you black mail a Talos worshiper? Threaten to alert to Thalmor?

Wouldn't put it past them.

 

[Kat'ir]

*clap, clap, clap* you sir I like! Though they ulfric has a nice voice. It's pretty damn badass. Also their outfits are dope

 

[Jeremius]

Indeed. The only reason I joined the stormcloaks was because I thought the empire weak, and I didn't wanna kill Ralof after escaping with him. The captain is the only imperial who wronged me. (Aside from guards arresting me all the god damn time)

These are probably some of the main reasons to go into the Stormcloaks. I prefer to give my characters their own reasoning for the Civil War choice.

 

[Anouck]

Indeed. The only reason I joined the stormcloaks was because I thought the empire weak, and I didn't wanna kill Ralof after escaping with him. The captain is the only imperial who wronged me. (Aside from guards arresting me all the god damn time)

These are probably some of the main reasons to go into the Stormcloaks. I prefer to give my characters their own reasoning for the Civil War choice.

Me too. I have my opinions on a personal level. If I, as a person, had to pick a side, I would go with the Imperials. But I have many Stormcloak characters as well.

 

[Jeremius]

Indeed. The only reason I joined the stormcloaks was because I thought the empire weak, and I didn't wanna kill Ralof after escaping with him. The captain is the only imperial who wronged me. (Aside from guards arresting me all the god damn time)

These are probably some of the main reasons to go into the Stormcloaks. I prefer to give my characters their own reasoning for the Civil War choice.

Me too. I have my opinions on a personal level. If I, as a person, had to pick a side, I would go with the Imperials. But I have many Stormcloak characters as well.

True, I just do not like Politics all that much, including morons being in charge, of either side.

 

[Anouck]

These are probably some of the main reasons to go into the Stormcloaks. I prefer to give my characters their own reasoning for the Civil War choice.

Me too. I have my opinions on a personal level. If I, as a person, had to pick a side, I would go with the Imperials. But I have many Stormcloak characters as well.

True, I just do not like Politics all that much, including morons being in charge, of either side.

Oh well, sadly morons will always be in charge. Such is human nature. We live in 'packs' with clear hierarchies. Even without a government someone would try to get power. There will always be people trying to be the dominant one.

 

[Jeremius]

Me too. I have my opinions on a personal level. If I, as a person, had to pick a side, I would go with the Imperials. But I have many Stormcloak characters as well.

True, I just do not like Politics all that much, including morons being in charge, of either side.

Oh well, sadly morons will always be in charge. Such is human nature. We live in 'packs' with clear hierarchies. Even without a government someone would try to get power. There will always be people trying to be the dominant one.

Yeah, but Monarchs should not rely on their court for every decision, like Elisif who changes her mind as soon as her steward and court wizard say something, either.

 

[Seanu Reaves]

Elisef is a unique case because how much is her actually being reasonable and listening to her advisers though.