Janus3003
Skyrim Marriage Counselor
A man going about a "righteous cause" isn't necessarily righteous in his heart and intentions.
Is it just me or is it difficult making a character to side with the Stormcloaks?
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Serebro Moniker
He who moves it moves it
How is using a power which Toryyg had no way to use for himself, nor a way to defend against, the bold and courageous decision? If anything it's cheating and cowardly.
Valyn
Member
No, he used it to make a better song, and Ulfric could of owned torygg without it anyways. You talk about cowards, and you support the Empire? Don't make me laugh son.
Serebro Moniker
He who moves it moves it
I never said he didn't. But the fact that he did is even worse. Here is a man who cares only about his image. He wants to be remembered, and he'll do whatever he must to do so.
Janus3003
Skyrim Marriage Counselor
And so Jarl Ulfric
Shouted the boy apart
He ripped out his spine
And then ate the child's heart
"Son.... just don't."
Kalin of High Rock
Faal Lun Vahdin
Ulfric's handling of The Reach was a massacre, more so than even his "employer" (the son of the Jarl killed in the Foresworn rebellion, Igmond) would have asked for. The Reachmen ruled the Reach fairly and justly for two full years. Many nords found they could continue to live and work in Markarth under the new regime. They had cordial overtures with The Empire to legitimize themselves as a true province, no longer a sub-region of Skyrim.
Ulfric and his men raged into the region and put -everyone- to the sword that did not instantly join the fighting once the walls were breached. This included nord woman, and boys old enough to swing a sword. There was no mercy for reach-men noncombatants. Women were tortured until they gave up their husbands and brothers, then killed. He was without mercy and would not even let his benefactor back into his own city until he swore to honor the agreement to allow the worship of Tallos.
This is all fairly terrible. More so when you consider that the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak implies that the events in the reach were orchestrated by the Aldmeri Dominion. That Ulfric was a willing participant in a farce designed to force The Empire into breaking the agreements laid out in The White Gold Concordant and cost the lives of untold numbers of his countrymen. You can only reach the conclusion that he is a man without integrity or honor. Driven by his own ambition and lust for power, no matter the cost to his own people.
Ulfric and his men raged into the region and put -everyone- to the sword that did not instantly join the fighting once the walls were breached. This included nord woman, and boys old enough to swing a sword. There was no mercy for reach-men noncombatants. Women were tortured until they gave up their husbands and brothers, then killed. He was without mercy and would not even let his benefactor back into his own city until he swore to honor the agreement to allow the worship of Tallos.
This is all fairly terrible. More so when you consider that the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak implies that the events in the reach were orchestrated by the Aldmeri Dominion. That Ulfric was a willing participant in a farce designed to force The Empire into breaking the agreements laid out in The White Gold Concordant and cost the lives of untold numbers of his countrymen. You can only reach the conclusion that he is a man without integrity or honor. Driven by his own ambition and lust for power, no matter the cost to his own people.
Serebro Moniker
He who moves it moves it
Are you actually reading our posts?
Docta Corvina
Well-Known Member
Who exactly is saying that? What's being said is that he used the Shout unnecessarily (if we are to accept his superiority in combat) and to no other conceivable end than to enhance the optics. That is to say, to help ensure his personal legend stands. It only bolsters the image of a character who is primarily concerned with, well, his own image.
Janus3003
Skyrim Marriage Counselor
That argument, plus the one that he's an egomaniac, a murderer, only doing this to get the throne, a racist, could focus his efforts on working with the Empire to beat the Thalmor (the true enemy of Tamriel), and kicks puppies.
And eats Argonian babies.
Serebro Moniker
He who moves it moves it
This is my favorite thread 
current high king commits treachery against skyrim.
high king challenged in the old way.
high king accepts.
high king defeated with the use of the thu'um.
victor's use of the thu'um proved and openly displayed to everyone the righteousness of his cause.
Well-Known Member
Didn't you say this before. It looks as if you reworded an older post.
Janus3003
Skyrim Marriage Counselor
How!?
...how does the Thu'um prove the "righteousness" of the cause more than a sword or any other weapon? Sounds like a "Might makes right" kind of thing.
bulbaquil
...is not Sjadbek, he just runs him.
...According to a book written by an Imperial scholar. How can you be certain it's not propaganda?
And yet he still goes to Sovngarde, the place for the honored Nord dead. Furthermore, there is no indication that Ulfric even knows he's aiding the Aldmeri Dominion.
Serebro Moniker
He who moves it moves it
Yes. He was honored by the surviving Stormcloak soldiers!
the nord gods and people of skyrim honoring a nord according to their customs, traditions and religion.
whodathunkit?
one resulted in the reason for the moot suspension, while, the other in the righteousness of a cause.
Kalin of High Rock
Faal Lun Vahdin
The stories you hear in Cidnea Mine corroborate the tale. It seems more likely than not. At the time of the event, Ulfric Stormcloak was not an enemy of The Empire, an Imperial Scholar would have no cause to slander him. Or is it libel? I think it's Libel, when it's written.
So he's either a deceitful monster and kin-slayer, or so enamored with his own reflection that he can't see what he's doing?
Given the choice, I'd rather be evil than stupid. Though, the fact that his former interrogator and torturer is now First Ambassador to Skyrim, and the fact that the Thalmor Dossier mentions having direct contact with him prior to the events in The Reach you can conclude that at the time he acted knowing his role in the Aldmeri Dominion's plans.
Though the fact that he became less favorable to direct contact afterwards says that he was not impressed with The Dominion's schemes. The Markarth event came and went, The Empire was too tricky to rise to the bait. They renegged on the worship of Tallos in The Reach and in doing so managed to avoid another Great War. Ulfric went back to Windhelm to sulk. He is, however, still listed as a (dormant) asset to The Dominion.
Sovngarde is a place for the brave. Ulfric Stormcloak is definitely that. He was ambitious and a underhanded, but no coward. He honored Nord traditions, even if he did often used them to his own ends. His presence in Sovngarde is not a statement of innocence or guilt, because is not "heaven" in the judaeo-christian tradition. He died in a glorious battle, in honorable combat with a worthy foe. And so he went to Sovngarde.
