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Seanu Reaves

Seanu Reaves

The Shogun of Gaming
Mirrored said:
Skies said:
Well, I play Skyrim on console so I couldn't really take screen shots anyways. As for Ralof, he might have offered because you helped him, but their are also plenty of random encounters with Stormcloak soldiers who suggest you should join their cause. This is also backed up when you speak to Galmar in Windhelm. During the dialogue, you can ask 'So you only take Nords?' and he'll deny it.
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Hahaha makes sense. Though what force, in such a well I guess at this point even conflict, would go out of their way to say no? I mean you do have a connection to Ulfric due to Helgen directly so you being accepted doesn't quite mean others are as well. I mean of course this is grasping at straws. Yet it still becomes a matter how you see them :p One can site something and both sides will have decent enough arguments to condemn or condone the action taken.

Gray vs. Grey. The beauty of what the bare bones civil war could inspire. Imagine if it was fully realized.
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Rimfaxe96

Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
Met a few Thalmor in TESO yesterday. I must admit that I still felt that itch in my finger to just aim my staff at them and let my little summoned daedra-monkey take over.
 
DrunkenMage

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Skies said:
But it does. The Empire has its own unique culture as shown by their armor, but how they adopted Akaviri tactics, among many other things, including standardized language.
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Where do you think the Empire got the language? Cyrodiil never had a race, until Morrowind. But it was originally the melting point of cultures and races.

Skies said:
Yet the High King is still under command to the Emperor.
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Technically they serve the Emperor. It all depends on Imperial influence, which is ever changing. Goes up and down always.

Skies said:
Every region has it's own superstition, but there are different languages. There is ancient nordic writing in the burial mounds and such, their are akaviri writing, available. Note this is also why argonians have Jel still.
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Argonians are lizards. But they still speak Tamrielic.

Skies said:
Why is almost every body speaking the same language? Because at this point in time they were all dragged into the Empire. By a large nation.
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Speaking the same language is easier, for trade most importantly.

Skies said:
Obviously this is a discussion of philosophy. But these points do stand.
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http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Throat_of_the_World

"Throat of the World" is inextricably intertwined with "Nord", to the point where the term is used to refer to the nation of Skyrim in general.
 
Seanu Reaves

Seanu Reaves

The Shogun of Gaming
So where do imperials come from? Since Cyrrodiil has no race?

Of course strength of the empire/emperor is going to effect control. So it is not technically. It is the empire has control if the emperor is strong enough to force compliance.

That doesnt deny the fact independent languages still exist. Which as the entire point. Their are other nations that do have language independent from Imperial.

And like I said this is talk of philosophy and do you expect the lore writers to care to put that much thought into it? We call a collection of city states a nation. ( a la Italy and Greece) which could be seen as technically a misnomer. Skyrim is a landmass, nords are a people. But Skyrim as a nation created the empire and slowly got partially assimilated. Making Skyrim and the Empire simply one large nation.

Side note: this is apparent when you look at the two types of imperials Colovians and Nibenese. Colovian culture is more directly related to guess whose culture. Yup the Nords. Nibenese favor the elven. Why is this important? Because half the thw empire has a Nordic influence so imperials and nords arent even that seperate in culture.

Now if you want to continue this we should take it to a PM or new thread this is about hating on Thalmor.
 
DrunkenMage

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Will respond to this small part, to not derail the thread too much.

Skies said:
So where do imperials come from? Since Cyrrodiil has no race?
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Thin air, they were created in TES III. Which contradicted Daggerfall lore, which mentions Cyrodiil had no native race.

Skies said:
So it is not technically.
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"I'm afraid he can. His authority comes from the emperor. Who you also serve, technically." - Falk Firebeard
 
SaveVsBedWet

SaveVsBedWet

Well-Known Member
DrunkenMage said:
Will respond to this small part, to not derail the thread too much.
Thin air, they were created in TES III. Which contradicted Daggerfall lore, which mentions Cyrodiil had no native race.
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No no no...this is a common misconception. There is no contradiction. It was an EMM386 error crashed the entire Daggerfall province before the historians could get the latest research update. Locked the messenger and his horse right in place at the front gates package undelivered.

Guess they got tired of waiting for that bug fix and simply moved on as is.
 
Seanu Reaves

Seanu Reaves

The Shogun of Gaming
Yes and no. They were actually introduced in Redguard, and also they are in fact have been a unique race. Whether this is oversight or not is up to debate but the imperials have officially existed.

Because I don't feel like copy and pasting.


Now if you look by your standards in the original games Khajiits where humans who "may have been descended from a feline like creature"
Khajiit_%28Arena%29.png


The nice thing about the Elder Scrolls is that it cleans itself up.
 
TheJokerLover

TheJokerLover

Member
The Thalmor are my greatest friends in Skyrim! When I was being attacked by a Legendary Dragon, they helped out and took its attacks as I healed myself! Stop hating on Thalmor!
*Paid for by the Thalmor Love for Everyone Agency.
 
DarkRaiden

DarkRaiden

Sir Reginald Von Bartlesby
Thalmor wanted to have my life, so I kindly refused them as I hailed down a rain of fire :)
Oh and because of the Thalmor Love for Everyone Agency, they're in debt and are plundering innocent adventurers trying to obtain objects of immeasurable power. Maybe that's why they're not loved?
 
M

Mirrored

Member
Skies said:
Mirrored said:
Skies said:
Well, I play Skyrim on console so I couldn't really take screen shots anyways. As for Ralof, he might have offered because you helped him, but their are also plenty of random encounters with Stormcloak soldiers who suggest you should join their cause. This is also backed up when you speak to Galmar in Windhelm. During the dialogue, you can ask 'So you only take Nords?' and he'll deny it.
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Hahaha makes sense. Though what force, in such a well I guess at this point even conflict, would go out of their way to say no? I mean you do have a connection to Ulfric due to Helgen directly so you being accepted doesn't quite mean others are as well. I mean of course this is grasping at straws. Yet it still becomes a matter how you see them :p One can site something and both sides will have decent enough arguments to condemn or condone the action taken.

Gray vs. Grey. The beauty of what the bare bones civil war could inspire. Imagine if it was fully realized.
Click to expand...
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Well, I'd agree that there are good arguments for both sides, I just don't think that the 'Stormcloaks are racist elf haters' bit is one of them. But this is getting way off topic.

http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/altmer-part-5-piecing-together-the-thalmor

This is an interesting take on the Thalmor, though I find the spin to be rather amusing. He ignores everything negative about the Thalmor (And really, the elves in general) while casting the Empire's every action as pro-human and evil.
 
Daelon DuLac

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
Mirrored said:
Skies said:
Mirrored said:
Hahaha makes sense. Though what force, in such a well I guess at this point even conflict, would go out of their way to say no? I mean you do have a connection to Ulfric due to Helgen directly so you being accepted doesn't quite mean others are as well. I mean of course this is grasping at straws. Yet it still becomes a matter how you see them :p One can site something and both sides will have decent enough arguments to condemn or condone the action taken.

Gray vs. Grey. The beauty of what the bare bones civil war could inspire. Imagine if it was fully realized.
Click to expand...
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Well, I'd agree that there are good arguments for both sides, I just don't think that the 'Stormcloaks are racist elf haters' bit is one of them. But this is getting way off topic.

http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/altmer-part-5-piecing-together-the-thalmor

This is an interesting take on the Thalmor, though I find the spin to be rather amusing. He ignores everything negative about the Thalmor (And really, the elves in general) while casting the Empire's every action as pro-human and evil.
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Uhm... so basically we're saying that everybody is a bunch of a**hats and that my Ingin Thorne should feel free to kill everybody she meets and never feel any guilt?
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DrunkenMage

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Skies said:
Yes and no. They were actually introduced in Redguard, and also they are in fact have been a unique race. Whether this is oversight or not is up to debate but the imperials have officially existed.

Because I don't feel like copy and pasting.
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I'm not saying they don't exist, but they weren't playable until Morrowind. Daggerfall set during the reign of Uriel VII they didn't exist. So Redguard/Morrowind ended up contradicting itself.

Skies said:
The nice thing about the Elder Scrolls is that it cleans itself up.
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No it doesn't. The series is inconsistent and things are often muddled and unclear. Been that way since even the opening text of Arena, which had Uriel IV instead of Uriel VII.
 
Seanu Reaves

Seanu Reaves

The Shogun of Gaming
Could Arena have been Uriel the Ninth? EDIT: Yeah that should be the 4th shouldnt it?

And then why not chalk it up to "an Elder Scroll/ daedra or Daedra using an elder scroll did it?"
Simply put it becomes a matter of what do you want to believe, though warp in the west if proof that weird plops just happens. But alas. Still no independent nation of Skyrim since the empire showed.

Now about those thalmor.... Why do they even seem to look down on me when I am an unaffiliated elf-kin :sadface:
 
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