Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?
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Grogmar Ghrobash
'Tis better to be alone, then of bad company.
There is little mention of it from recent post, but I suppose not the in-depth sort of discussion that you would be looking for.
feliciano182
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Crooksin
Glue Sniffer
This is how I look at it:
If it was a legit duel, then Ulfric did nothing wrong. If he did use a shout in that duel then thats like bringing a gun to a sword fight, which isn't honorable at all. Wouldn't matter either way, my opinion on his hidden agenda remains unchanged, it'll just be another nail in the coffin.
If it was a legit duel, then Ulfric did nothing wrong. If he did use a shout in that duel then thats like bringing a gun to a sword fight, which isn't honorable at all. Wouldn't matter either way, my opinion on his hidden agenda remains unchanged, it'll just be another nail in the coffin.
Ozan
the Magnificent Bastard
The only fair fight is a fight one wins. It also wouldn't have mattered, Ulfric is far more experienced.
Crooksin
Glue Sniffer
Ah yes, maybe on the battlefield, but a mutual duel must be held up to some standards. I have no doubt that Ulfric would've won anyway, however, which is why its questionable he would've chosen to cut corners to defeat him rather than to show his true battleworthy.
Adventurer
Member
Bethesda did a great job with the presentation of the two warring sides in Skyrim. Neither of them is the absolute good nor the absolute devil. I had an initial impression when I started to play the game and my opinion has changed greatly after playing the game a lot and getting to know a few things. It is best to roll two characters and play each of the sides.
I am currently playing an Imperial(and blogging it) and I may be tempted to do so with a fierce Nord Stormcloak.
I am currently playing an Imperial(and blogging it) and I may be tempted to do so with a fierce Nord Stormcloak.
feliciano182
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There's the matter of law as well, I can't be certain but it's not out of the question to say Imperial Law forbid duels like that.
Or maybe a law hadn't been yet implemented ? Difficult to say, nobody challenged the High King since the Third Era ?
Crooksin
Glue Sniffer
Well yes, but its a tricky case to take over a land and then implement laws that strictly contradict culture and traditions of the region, accepted for the past however many years or so. Yes, it was an asshole move of Ulfric (seasoned warrior) to challange the young High King (inexperienced) to a fight, when it was pretty clear Ulfric could ascend to power through diplomatic ways as well but as evident by Nord culture, blood equals respect.
That being said, Duels of that nature are more than valid to the Nords, and I would say that Skyrim should be better represented in that regard. However, by using a shout, whether or not he would win with/without, Ulfric delegitimize his cause and that is why I would say it was murder rather than a casualty of a mutually accepted duel. It'd be like if I challenged you to a sword fight, and just as we were about to go at it I pulled out a gun and shot you in the face, only to stab you to death in the end.
I've been looking through UESP wiki and I can't find anything that states that using a shout in a duel is illegal in the eyes of Nords, but from what I can see it is not accepted one bit. If anyone knows anything else then feel free to correct me (I'm looking at you, Dagmar
) but looking at the situation as a Nord, honor is the first priority and what Ulfric did was far from honorable.
feliciano182
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Harc
Big Hog
You could say that lol. Your profile picture is really disturbingYou must rationalize the living pl*** out of your playthroughs
feliciano182
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Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
Speak for yourself. Didn't the Thalmor conduct barbaric experimental procedures against the people in Cyrodiil?
The Thalmor is going down!
Ozan
the Magnificent Bastard
They had it coming.
Docta Corvina
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Cosmic Storm
Whoosh.
Ozan said:
Really? Everyone? Everyone in Cyrodiil? Really? Really?
Harc
Big Hog
The imperial legion proved way better contenders than the Stormcloaks ever will. The Stormcloaks are barbarians that go charging at the first sight of gold skin or people that have the empire insignia. The legion plan their battles, they are an established military, and their skill and numbers are far better. Don't even say "nords are the best warriors!" Ok so if you put a thug off the streets against a United States marine who's gonna win? Obviously the marine.
Moris
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Well, in theory it seems true, but my actual in game experience is quite to the contrary.
When I backed the SC's and was to rescue the prisoners from Fort Neugrad, the men I was supposed to meet waited until I arrived, told me how to sneak into the fort, and the plan went off without a hitch.
When I was an Imp and had to rescue men from Fort Kastav, no matter what I did (and I tried six times before giving up, even going invisible so that I would remain undetected), the men would not wait. By the time I arrived to the outskirts of the fort, Hadvar and his men had already decided to enter the fort and attack. There was no opportunity for sneaking at all, and we lost men unnecessarily.
I concluded that compared to the Stormcloaks, the Imperials were impulsive and undisciplined.
