Truth of that isn't clear, except we know from the Book that what Ulfric apparently says is very much him. The Markarth situation happened twenty five years ago, and whoever killed for not aiding the Nords (Ulfric & Hrolfdir) was legal.
Legality isn't the case here moral standing is. Neither Ulfric, nor would the Empire, butcher people so brutally. If this were truly the case for Ulfric why wouldn't he continue to do it and why do we see no evidence for his supposed butchery other than in the confines of a clearly biased book? Why don't people talk about it. People love to talk about Ulfric being a corrupt, selfish man only looking out for himself but they never seem to say anything about his apparent mass murders. Why?
[QUOTE="DrunkenMage, post: 1444402, member: 8348"Why wouldn't his men be up to it? Nords have no problem with killing other Nords, especially those they believe to be without honor or being against their country.[/quote]
Probably because these Nords are unarmed and not trying to kill them.
[QUOTE="DrunkenMage, post: 1444402, member: 8348"Rikke wouldn't bring up Markarth, it happened before he was even leading a rebellion. Why would she even bring up something that happened when Ulfric was loyal to the Empire? Giving the Stormcloaks an earful after a recent massacre is different. One person's massacre is someone's glorious victory.[/quote]
Why wouldn't she? The Nords who rid Markarth of the Reachmen are considered to be Stormcloaks. So again, why wouldn't she say such things to him? She loves to give Ulfric a hard time about his shortcomings why wouldn't she start talking about the Markarth Incident if it supposedly went down that way? It would be a pretty good recruiting tactic in my opinion.
[QUOTE="DrunkenMage, post: 1444402, member: 8348"It doesn't matter if they're not "recently" used, with blood on it. Ulfric has them in his palace and his jail is called "Bloodworks" clear indication that Nords are not above torture.[/quote]
it's actually called the Bloodworks because it was supposed to be under the Windhelm Arena that never got integrated into the game not because of torture. The Stormcloaks and most anodes I've met clearly are against torture. How recently the tools have been used is very important. We see in the room two racks both of them in the corner with cobwebs on them next to a bunch of crates, they appear to have not been used in years, and they certainly haven't been used by Ulfric's administration.
[QUOTE="DrunkenMage, post: 1444402, member: 8348"Everything written is accepted, it's all lore. What is "correct" can come down to many factors, majority of lore is grey. There are two sides of coin to many things.[/quote]
okay so this is clearly a grey area. Stop treating it like its black and white.
[QUOTE="DrunkenMage, post: 1444402, member: 8348"Alduin is an aspect of Akatosh. Just as the Eleven God Auri-El is an aspect of Akatosh. The Gods have many aspects, not all of them "good".[/quote]
Even though the book clearly states that the. Nords who, y'know would actually know about Alduin and what he is, said he wasn't apparently he is.
[QUOTE="DrunkenMage, post: 1444402, member: 8348"Alduin represents the "end of time" in his role as World-Eater, obviously some form of aspect to the God of Time. 'First born of Akatosh' just means he was the first creation.[/quote]
Not sure if that's what Beth. Meant by "first born"
[QUOTE="DrunkenMage, post: 1444402, member: 8348"The Reachmen aren't savages, the Forsworn are. Many Nords don't care who rules them, you can't expect populations to simply pack up and leave, because it doesn't make sense in your mind as to why they would stay with any hate or mistrust.
You would be surprised, often it is safer to remain than leave everything behind. Dunmer in Windhelm are a prime example.[/quote]
Again explain to me how the Nords would fair in a society of people who ravaged and conquered their city probably killin plenty of Nord in their wake. My guess is not well.
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