I did give you a quote, though not so direct. He pretty much said
" During the Oblivion Crisis
, the Empire pulled a vast majority of the Legions out of Morrowind to deal with the gates opening in their homeland of Cyrodiil
. The Dunmer had no standing army at the time, and the armies of daedra destroyed the Redoran city of Ald'ruhn.[6]
The destruction of their ancestral city, coupled with their historic status as "the hereditary defenders of the Morrowind",[2]
led to House Redoran taking charge, and they were slowly able to raise an army"
And Adril Arano went on to say that before House Redoran organized, there were small unorganized pockets of resistance. The actions undergone by Redoran gave them the pull they needed to take the council.
Now, my question is what are you arguing? I gave you a quote, you ask for another? If you are trying to prove you know your lore better than I, then I concede. However, you apply it incorrectly. Tamriel doesn't need the Empire. Skyrim got by for centuries without it. Redoran is leading the Dunmer people to success with little to no influence of the Thalmor.
What are you defending? You admit that the Empire isn't the good guys. Then why defend? Why take the title "the True Defenders of Skyrim" when you can't call yourself the good guys? I'm not sure what you call it, but that's propaganda.
There are many Stormcloaks who fight not because of Ulfric. What you don't understand is Ulfric is eternal. He'll be passed soon. A new heir, be it better or for worse. However, there will be change. There is no promise that the Stormcloak represents the good. But there is a chance that they are. Which is better than they who openly claim not to be the good guys.
Skyrim needs stability. The Legion isn't good? Fine. The legion isn't bad? Whatever. We can't afford to remain neutral on a moving train. The Dunmer weren't given a choice. Vvardenfell exploded. Half the province is ran by Argonians, including Mournhold. But they are doing just fine without the Empire.
That's all I have to say.))
I wasn't arguing over who knows lore better. I don't know that much, I was just curious over Redoran's actions in the Oblivion Crisis. The hereditary defenders of Morrowind comes from 'The True Noble's Code.'
Skyrim got by just fine without the Empire? Yes, until they destroyed themselves, never recovered. Fought for fifty years and lost everything Ysgramor and his heirs had created. The Pact of Chieftains ended that war, now Ulfric brought back the tradition of being able to kill a Jarl for his/her title. Going to see many High Kings/ Jarls come and go. Skyrim was also allied with Cyrodiil, they have been dependent on the Empire since the Second and Third Empire's. Stormcloaks are also unwilling to even trade with other races, I'm sure Skyrim will do just fine, alone, surrounded by provinces that hate them.
"Because the Dominion is a sleeping beast that Skyrim cannot slay alone. Because many Nords are part of the Imperial army even now. Because the food and resources we get from the Empire are important to our people. Because even if we can't openly worship him, Talos the god was once Tiber Septim the man, and this is his Empire."
"That's what started this whole war. The Empire couldn't ignore that. Once the jarls start killing each other, we're back to the bad old days."
Ulfric's Skyrim is tyranny, the Pact of Chieftains means nothing. Ulfric's soldiers and Galmar will force the Jarls to do whatever Ulfric wants. Moot is meaningless, the Jarls no longer have their independence. Everything Ulfric wants, he'll get because he said so. You think he'll accept a no? Of course he won't. Not even the Emperor has all the power in Imperial politics.
The Empire has never taken the title "The true Defenders of Skyrim"? I have no idea where you got that one from. I defend the Empire for many reasons, while I do not support many actions the Empire has done in the past. I think a united Empire stands a better chance of defeating a united Aldmeri Dominion. I also defend the Empire in this Civil War because the Thalmor want to destroy the Empire. I'd much rather not aid the Thalmor, thank you.
"Ulfric escapes, and the war is back on. And now the dragons are attacking everywhere, indiscriminately. Skyrim is weakened, the Empire is weakened. Who else gains from that but the Thalmor?" - Delphine
"White-Gold Concordat was the fancy name they put on the peace treaty between the Empire and the Thalmor. It ended the war and saved the Empire to fight another day." - Delphine
"They're the high elves that rule the Aldmeri Dominion. Sworn enemies of the Empire and everything it stands for. Thirty years ago, they invaded the Empire and came close to destroying it. They smashed the Blades in the process. Since then, they've been working to weaken the Empire any way they can." - Delphine
You think the Stormcloaks have a chance of being good? Tamriel doesn't need the Empire? Take a good look at Windhelm, that is Skyrim without the Empire.
"It's not the friendliest place for outsiders. The Dark Elves were all forced to live in a slum called the Grey Quarter. The Argonians can't even live inside the walls. They're all stuck out on the docks." - Alfarinn, on Windhelm
Take a look at the Aldmeri Dominion, the Thalmor. Ethnic cleansing and purges in Valenwood slaughtering all in the name of purity. You're right... Tamriel doesn't need the Empire. Things are so much better in a land of Stormcloaks and Thalmor. Only if you're a pure Altmer or a pure Nord. Then you're good in Skyrim and the Dominion. Everyone else is up plops creek. You truly believe you will be fine, that the Stormcloaks after they now have complete control, complete freedom to do what they like, will suddenly become accepting of Bosmer, Altmer, Khajiit, Dunmer, Orcs and Imperials?
Walking around Skyrim as any race other than Nord, see how kind they really are of outsiders. Did you know if you're a Dark Elf you're also blamed for the Great War by Stormcloak supporters? That "Your kind" is at fault.
"Because the Stormcloaks only want Nords in Skyrim? The Stormcloaks can rot in Oblivion for all I care. I've lived in this city for twenty years. Twenty!" - Arcadia
"The Stormcloaks don't like buying from anyone that isn't a Nord."
"When we're done rooting out Imperial influence here at home, then we will take our war to the Aldmeri Dominion." - Ulfric
Well thousands of Nords dying in that plan will give Ulfric the story and song that he wants. I'd much rather pick the side with a battle plan, trained soldiers, oh and of course... Leaders who aren't trying to get me killed for a bloody book and tale.
The Legion did need to step in to bring stability to the region. No one said the Legion is bad, but no one is claiming the Empire are the perfect good guys. To do so would be stupid, not even the Stormcloaks are 'good guys' it's supposed to be morally grey. If you have a problem that we can openly say "Hey, we're not perfect." Well perhaps you would prefer being in the Dominion, they'll fill your head with the propaganda you crave. I prefer the Empire because they can admit they're not perfect, least they aren't lying to your face with propaganda. But reading what you just said, it seems to me you prefer that? You want to be on the side that goes "We're the perfect good guys."
I think the Empire has done well, considering they're opposed at every turn.
"They abandoned Morrowind!" The Dunmer didn't even want us there, they bitched and moaned that the Empire was there, then they bitch and moan when the Empire isn't there.
The Empire has been opposed by the ban of slavery, the laws they installed, the racial equality they brought, the fact that Orcs are accepted by the Empire would of caused an uproar, Khajiit are accepted by the Empire, Argonians are accepted by the Empire.
The most perfect example of Tamriel without the Empire's influence is the Imperial Simulacrum. Read up on that one, every single province fighting each other, invading each other as Cyrodiil lost influence across the provinces;
The Five Year War 3E 395 - 3E 399
The
Bosmer claim that the war began in
3E 394 when
Khajiit bandits started attacking wood caravans headed for
Valenwood. The Khajiit claim that the war began in 3E 395 when the Bosmer attacked the city of
Torval, the capital of
Elsweyr, in retaliation to the bandit attacks. This border dispute soon turned into a bloody war that lasted for 4 years and 9 months.
The Arnesian War, 3E 396
What started as a simple slave revolt in the
House Dres lands to the south escalated into a full war between
Morrowind and
Black Marsh.
The War of the Blue Divide 3E 397
Named after the body of water separating them, the War of the Blue Divide pitted
Summerset Isle against its former ally
Valenwood.
The War of the Bend'r-mahk 3E 397
Skyrim destroyed the combined forces of
Hammerfell and
High Rock and took many miles of eastern parts of those provinces, including the cities of
Elinhir and
Jehenna.
Yes, the Empire are oppressive... stopping those provinces from killing each other. No wonder Skyrim is angry, they just want to smash something with an axe. That was the real reason they were angry at the WGC, "
The war's over?!? BUT I WANT TO SMASH" - Galmar & Ulfric
