Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

[Ozan]

...Khajiit is Stormcloak. But Khajiit can not be "dog" or...

Clearly, Colovian propaganda to discourage the freedom loving peoples who oppose the Colovian rule! Mostly Khajiit, though...

 

[Jei El]

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[DrunkenMage]

...Khajiit is Stormcloak. But Khajiit can not be "dog" or...

Clearly, Colovian propaganda to discourage the freedom loving peoples who oppose the Colovian rule! Mostly Khajiit, though...

When Khajiit caravans are attacked by bandits in the Hold of Eastmarch, Ulfric doesn't lift a finger to aid those being slaughtered, when a Nord group is attacked he is the first to sound the horn.

 

[Jei El]

When Khajiit caravans are attacked by bandits in the Hold of Eastmarch, Ulfric doesn't lift a finger to aid those being slaughtered, when a Nord group is attacked he is the first to sound the horn.

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[Stephen Daidalus]

When Khajiit caravans are attacked by bandits in the Hold of Eastmarch, Ulfric doesn't lift a finger to aid those being slaughtered, when a Nord group is attacked he is the first to sound the horn.

When Khajitt caravans are attacked by bandits, do Legion soldiers assist those being slaughtered?

 

[Jei El]

Who cares about the cats.

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[DrunkenMage]

When Khajitt caravans are attacked by bandits, do Legion soldiers assist those being slaughtered?

By law they must if they have a chance, but generally law and protection is done by the Hold Guards who the Jarl orders, Imperial Legionnaires operate throughout the Holds in peace time, occupying Forts, patrolling roads. With the Civil War raging the Legions aren't in a position to aid those attacked in Eastmarch or the Pale, Riften, Winterhold etc. While they are under Stormcloak control, the Legion can't operate their peacetime duties.

"Our duty is to serve the Emperor, uphold the law, and protect the citizenry."

In Empire controlled holds, you will find Legionnaires walking along the roads, some escorting Nobles.

Imperial Legions preserve the peace and rule of law in the Empire. At need, the legion garrisons can be swiftly mobilized to protect against invasions or internal disorders - Ordo Legionis

 

[Jei El]

Long live the An-Xleel

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[DrunkenMage]

The issue at hand is not asking if the Imperial Legion protects Khajiit caravans, since they're all still citizens of the Empire, and in the Holds controlled by Empire supporting Jarls, it is still up to the Jarl to handle these problems, not the Imperial Legion. There are no issues mentioned within the Holds where Imperial authority is high, about the problems dealing with races.

Ulfric Stormcloak is the Jarl of Windhelm, he maintains Hold Guards, while also maintaining a standing Stormcloak army, which gathers recruits from across the Holds that support him. The issue is not being unable to protect Non-nords who travel throughout the Holds, it is the unwilling nature and sheer disregard for any race not his own.

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

By law they must if they have a chance, but generally law and protection is done by the Hold Guards who the Jarl orders, Imperial Legionnaires operate throughout the Holds in peace time, occupying Forts, patrolling roads. With the Civil War raging the Legions aren't in a position to aid those attacked in Eastmarch or the Pale, Riften, Winterhold etc. While they are under Stormcloak control, the Legion can't operate their peacetime duties.

"Our duty is to serve the Emperor, uphold the law, and protect the citizenry."

In Empire controlled holds, you will find Legionnaires walking along the roads, some escorting Nobles.

Imperial Legions preserve the peace and rule of law in the Empire. At need, the legion garrisons can be swiftly mobilized to protect against invasions or internal disorders - Ordo Legionis

So, in short, they don't. Except when they're paid by nobles. Is that what you're saying?

That makes them better for the peasants being attacked how exactly?

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

The issue at hand is not asking if the Imperial Legion protects Khajiit caravans, since they're all still citizens of the Empire, and in the Holds controlled by Empire supporting Jarls, it is still up to the Jarl to handle these problems, not the Imperial Legion. There are no issues mentioned within the Holds where Imperial authority is high, about the problems dealing with races.

Ulfric Stormcloak is the Jarl of Windhelm, he maintains Hold Guards, while also maintaining a standing Stormcloak army, which gathers recruits from across the Holds that support him. The issue is not being unable to protect Non-nords who travel throughout the Holds, it is the unwilling nature and sheer disregard for any race not his own.

I cannot agree. I think asking what the Legion does for the actual citizens of Skyrim is legitimate question. Passing the buck to the Jarls of the Holds does not justify Legion presence.

The problem with Stormcloaks only assisting Nords is mentioned by a single NPC. When you actually travel outside, all of the various holds, you see peasants and caravans and normal people and yourself being attacked by bandits, animals, and all manner of threats. Sometimes the Legion soldiers assist on the roads. Sometimes they merely complain that you are 'interfering with Imperial business'. I have never seen a single Legion soldier or Hold Guard clearing out a bandit cave or ridding a cavern of dangerous beasts or killing a covern of witches or a nest of vampires. I have heard numerous NPC's complain that either Hold Guards or the Legions were -supposed- to assist, but did not because they claimed that they were too busy.

How is this superior?

 

[DrunkenMage]

So, in short, they don't. Except when they're paid by nobles. Is that what you're saying?

That makes them better for the peasants being attacked how exactly?

They do, it is their duty to protect all citizens of the Empire. While they can be on loan to nobles, there are still the rest who's duty is to protect the citizens. The Holds in Skyrim are all largely independent and the Jarls can ask for Imperial assistance to handle bandits or other issues. It is the reasons why they patrol and man forts and garrisons.

Bandits are taking advantage with the lack of soldiers protecting the roads to deal with Ulfric Stormcloak.

 

[DrunkenMage]

I cannot agree. I think asking what the Legion does for the actual citizens of Skyrim is legitimate question. Passing the buck to the Jarls of the Holds does not justify Legion presence.

The problem with Stormcloaks only assisting Nords is mentioned by a single NPC. When you actually travel outside, all of the various holds, you see peasants and caravans and normal people and yourself being attacked by bandits, animals, and all manner of threats. Sometimes the Legion soldiers assist on the roads. Sometimes they merely complain that you are 'interfering with Imperial business'. I have never seen a single Legion soldier or Hold Guard clearing out a bandit cave or ridding a cavern of dangerous beasts or killing a covern of witches or a nest of vampires. I have heard numerous NPC's complain that either Hold Guards or the Legions were -supposed- to assist, but did not because they claimed that they were too busy.

How is this superior?

The Legion serves as the Military force in the Empire. When someone robs your house, do you call the Police or do you dial the local Army base.

Interfering with Imperial business is when they have a Prisoner. There is also another group of three Legionnaires who walk around without a prisoner who are rather friendly. Do you flag down a prison bus and start a conversation?

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

They do, it is their duty to protect all citizens of the Empire. While they can be on loan to nobles, there are still the rest who's duty is to protect the citizens. The Holds in Skyrim are all largely independent and the Jarls can ask for Imperial assistance to handle bandits or other issues. It is the reasons why they patrol and man forts and garrisons.

Bandits are taking advantage with the lack of soldiers protecting the roads to deal with Ulfric Stormcloak.

And the bandits are taking advantage of the lack of Stormcloak soldiers protecting the roads to deal with the Thalmor. That the Stormcloaks take the time to assist even the Nords in the Hold seems remarkable, given the fact that the guards and soldiers in other holds don't seem to do anything for anyone.

 

[DrunkenMage]

And the bandits are taking advantage of the lack of Stormcloak soldiers protecting the roads to deal with the Thalmor. That the Stormcloaks take the time to assist even the Nords in the Hold seems remarkable, given the fact that the guards and soldiers in other holds don't seem to do anything for anyone.

Stormcloak Soldiers aren't the Hold guards, they're apart of the Stormcloak army. Not the law keepers. Not until you take over holds do Stormcloak guards become Hold Guards.

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

The Legion serves as the Military force in the Empire. When someone robs your house, do you call the Police or do you dial the local Army base.

Interfering with Imperial business is when they have a Prisoner. There is also another group of three Legionnaires who walk around without a prisoner who are rather friendly. Do you flag down a prison bus and start a conversation?

Stormcloaks are serving a military duty as well. Perhaps the Stormcloaks who could be sent to deal with bandits are actually those 'army' types you give a pass to if they're wearing a Legion outfit. Can't you give the same pass to the Stormcloaks who also serve in an 'army'?

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

Stormcloak Soldiers aren't the Hold guards, they're apart of the Stormcloak army. Not the law keepers. Not until you take over holds do Stormcloak guards become Hold Guards.

So why do you complain that they don't help the Khajiit caravans when it's clearly, by your own admission, not their job?

 

[DrunkenMage]

So why do you complain that they don't help the Khajiit caravans when it's clearly, by your own admission, not their job?

I'm not complaining about the Stormcloak Militia, but in fact Ulfric Stormcloak's management and lack of care for Non-Nords within his Hold. He has Hold Guards, they carry a Eastmarch shield, which marks them as the Law within Eastmarch, Stormcloak Militia do no carry Eastmarch Shields. This is what makes them different.

 

[DrunkenMage]

Stormcloaks are serving a military duty as well. Perhaps the Stormcloaks who could be sent to deal with bandits are actually those 'army' types you give a pass to if they're wearing a Legion outfit. Can't you give the same pass to the Stormcloaks who also serve in an 'army'?

Stormcloak Militia and Eastmarch Hold Guards are two very different things.

Though perhaps there is another, perhaps the Stormcloaks, both Militia and Hold guards are so ineffective in their jobs, they can't even protect Windhelm where a serial killer has been killing and has the city in fear, I also heard someone is trying to contact the Dark Brotherhood within Windhelm. Not only are they clueless in their jobs, they are complete jokes. Leave protection of citizens to the real men.

 

[Stephen Daidalus]

I'm not complaining about the Stormcloak Militia, but in fact Ulfric Stormcloak's management and lack of care for Non-Nords within his Hold. He has Hold Guards, they carry a Eastmarch shield, which marks them as the Law within Eastmarch, Stormcloak Militia do no carry Eastmarch Shields. This is what makes them different.

You're complaining about Eastmarch Hold Guards not assisting citizens, and this claim is substantiated by the words of a single NPC who is a contender for the throne of Eastmarch.

However, it is to be assumed that Hold Guards from other holds do assist citizens, correct?

I have heard more than one NPC, for example the blacksmith at the Redbelly Mine, who complains that the guards will not assist him in removing the spiders. This happens regardless of who controls the Rift.

How is the Eastmarch refusal to assist Khajiits more worthy of derision than the Riften Jarl's refusal to assist the citizens of Shor's Stone?