itchymonkey
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There are many thing you've said that have already been explained in the previous post, I'm not sure if you are accidently reading them out of context. I'll try to answer your point separately to clear any confusion.
I just explained that the discussion is not wether they have the right to do stuff on their site, I believe they can do anything they please at their site. What we are discussing, is wether their methods are entirely logical and if their methods are clouded with personal motives.
The logical fallacy of your comment is that nobody criticizes Nexus. The reason is because when they do, they also get banned. If you want to laugh at them, that's up to you, if you think they deserve it, well, you might need to do a bit of thinking.
I actually perfectly understand that copyrighted content affects their site. Which is what I said on my previous post that I take copyrighted problems seriously. I said I was not a lawyer was because I can't identify all the copyright problems with the files I put in my mod 100% accurately. I try my best to make sure they aren't copyrighted through common sense, but I can't be certain on my own.
The sticky threads are shuffled around from top to bottom depending which has the most recent replies to it. As of posting this reply, it's back at the bottom of the group of stickies again. Can you see how easily this could have been missed by a first time applicant?
I've given the admins a reasonable amount of time to read my appeal form which was about 1 and a half weeks (which I still consider 'fresh'). During that time though, I was browsing the internet for alternative forums and sites and stumbled on this one. Since the Nexus forums stated that if they don't reply, the ban would likely be permanent, I decided to settle down here and tell my story.
Why I thought it was acceptable to transfer Oblivion themes into Skyrim came from 3 things though. (Because I don't have the benefit of a lawyer to sit next to me all the time)
1. I had seen similar mods on the Nexus that transferred Oblivion themed material over to Skyrim. Wether they were deleted or not after I saw them I couldn't tell, but at the time I saw them, they were freely hosted on the site, and I assumed it was acceptable by example.
2. Using some common sense reasoning, I used an Oblivion theme that was from Youtube, a public domain. Given that if having Oblivion themed material for free in a public area and Bethesda, having the complete power and right to make Youtube take them down with a single letter, but choosing not to, made me conclude that Bethesda probably decided that it was okay to have the theme in a public domain.
3. I am technically not porting content from another game because the music in question was performed by the London Philharmonic Orchestra, which made their own inspired version of the theme to be played at a public concert. So this specific version of the song is not actually found in the Oblivion game.
If the conclusions I made are flawed, it's up to you, but at least I tried my best to make sure I wasn't doing something bad. I'm certainly not trying to force copyrighted material on to the site which is what you've been implying.
The rules, like I've also said before, were all split up into different threads instead of being combined into one thread. Nexus seems to be unique in this fashion for making so many threads in a rules section compared to so many other communities I've been in that uses one single thread to explain everything that is needed to be said.
I've been in an art community, several games communities involving basic modding and some communities about music, but they don't divide their rules section into so many threads. Realistically people would most likely have the same experience I do with reading rules in one thread and would assume Nexus has the same structure as other sites.
I would think that if copyright infringement is that important to them, it would make sense that they put those in a place that is readily accessible and easy to see for first time members.
Your logic is a bit skewed, because you're implying that I want a website that allows copyright infringing material to be hosted, which is not true and has been explained beforehand.
What I'm saying is that I don't see how banning people is seen as a more effective way of controlling copyright when giving a stern warning and removing the file easily accomplishes the same thing (especially if the person is a new and a non-repeat offender).
Both stops 'copyright infringement', but the latter preserves your modding community and allows it to grow as modders learn what is allowed or not.
If you had your own website, you should consider:
*What's the logic of banning a person who is not a repeat-offender?
*What's the logic of banning a person from downloading mods afterwards? (Downloading mods is not a copyright crime, unless you plan on uploading that mod somewhere else and claiming ownership, but that's jumping to conclusions because most people just want to download mods to mod their games)
*What's the logic of banning someone because of something they said? Is it related to copyright infringement?
Regardless of your opinions of me, this is what I have offered in my form to the admins:
*I identified the possible cause of my ban.
*I offered a reasonable solution in exchange of having my account unbanned. (which was that I would not upload anything at all because I didn't want to cause trouble).
If that sounds unreasonable to you and if you think that doesn't solve the copyright issues the admins have with me to keep me permanently banned, then please feel free to elaborate.
I just explained that the discussion is not wether they have the right to do stuff on their site, I believe they can do anything they please at their site. What we are discussing, is wether their methods are entirely logical and if their methods are clouded with personal motives.
The logical fallacy of your comment is that nobody criticizes Nexus. The reason is because when they do, they also get banned. If you want to laugh at them, that's up to you, if you think they deserve it, well, you might need to do a bit of thinking.
I actually perfectly understand that copyrighted content affects their site. Which is what I said on my previous post that I take copyrighted problems seriously. I said I was not a lawyer was because I can't identify all the copyright problems with the files I put in my mod 100% accurately. I try my best to make sure they aren't copyrighted through common sense, but I can't be certain on my own.
The sticky threads are shuffled around from top to bottom depending which has the most recent replies to it. As of posting this reply, it's back at the bottom of the group of stickies again. Can you see how easily this could have been missed by a first time applicant?
I've given the admins a reasonable amount of time to read my appeal form which was about 1 and a half weeks (which I still consider 'fresh'). During that time though, I was browsing the internet for alternative forums and sites and stumbled on this one. Since the Nexus forums stated that if they don't reply, the ban would likely be permanent, I decided to settle down here and tell my story.
Why I thought it was acceptable to transfer Oblivion themes into Skyrim came from 3 things though. (Because I don't have the benefit of a lawyer to sit next to me all the time)
1. I had seen similar mods on the Nexus that transferred Oblivion themed material over to Skyrim. Wether they were deleted or not after I saw them I couldn't tell, but at the time I saw them, they were freely hosted on the site, and I assumed it was acceptable by example.
2. Using some common sense reasoning, I used an Oblivion theme that was from Youtube, a public domain. Given that if having Oblivion themed material for free in a public area and Bethesda, having the complete power and right to make Youtube take them down with a single letter, but choosing not to, made me conclude that Bethesda probably decided that it was okay to have the theme in a public domain.
3. I am technically not porting content from another game because the music in question was performed by the London Philharmonic Orchestra, which made their own inspired version of the theme to be played at a public concert. So this specific version of the song is not actually found in the Oblivion game.
If the conclusions I made are flawed, it's up to you, but at least I tried my best to make sure I wasn't doing something bad. I'm certainly not trying to force copyrighted material on to the site which is what you've been implying.
The rules, like I've also said before, were all split up into different threads instead of being combined into one thread. Nexus seems to be unique in this fashion for making so many threads in a rules section compared to so many other communities I've been in that uses one single thread to explain everything that is needed to be said.
I've been in an art community, several games communities involving basic modding and some communities about music, but they don't divide their rules section into so many threads. Realistically people would most likely have the same experience I do with reading rules in one thread and would assume Nexus has the same structure as other sites.
I would think that if copyright infringement is that important to them, it would make sense that they put those in a place that is readily accessible and easy to see for first time members.
Your logic is a bit skewed, because you're implying that I want a website that allows copyright infringing material to be hosted, which is not true and has been explained beforehand.
What I'm saying is that I don't see how banning people is seen as a more effective way of controlling copyright when giving a stern warning and removing the file easily accomplishes the same thing (especially if the person is a new and a non-repeat offender).
Both stops 'copyright infringement', but the latter preserves your modding community and allows it to grow as modders learn what is allowed or not.
If you had your own website, you should consider:
*What's the logic of banning a person who is not a repeat-offender?
*What's the logic of banning a person from downloading mods afterwards? (Downloading mods is not a copyright crime, unless you plan on uploading that mod somewhere else and claiming ownership, but that's jumping to conclusions because most people just want to download mods to mod their games)
*What's the logic of banning someone because of something they said? Is it related to copyright infringement?
Regardless of your opinions of me, this is what I have offered in my form to the admins:
*I identified the possible cause of my ban.
*I offered a reasonable solution in exchange of having my account unbanned. (which was that I would not upload anything at all because I didn't want to cause trouble).
If that sounds unreasonable to you and if you think that doesn't solve the copyright issues the admins have with me to keep me permanently banned, then please feel free to elaborate.
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This kind of behavior sounds much more left-wing, to me...
