ah ok, thanks im not much of a mage but after that little brawl i think i might get some 'Last Resort' spellsthey are like super-goblins. annoying as hell to fight but at least they are relatively predictable. I can't kill it with my sneak-attack arrow shot but with perks, I can kill one before it gets to me... one at a time. If they are archers, I use dual-wield firebolt and blast them. they stagger to each blast so it's not that hard. if there are a bunch of them, I use frenzy on one or two of them and hide.