I always wondered about that. If the Empire/Tullius truly wanted to kill Ulfric why didn't Tullius executed him first? You know to taunt his next Stormcloak prisoners about how much of a failure their leader is, and how easy it was to capture him, and such.
Judging by Tullius own words.... It sounds perfectly logical to have Ulfric be on the chopping block first, yet he wasn't. In fact it seems as if Ulfric was going to be last? Who knows what was going through Tullius mind on that day.
Few theories.
Probably got distracted by Elenwen appearing. But, they're taking Ulfric's head back to Cyrodiil. Even if you killed him first, you still have to wait around. So kind of makes sense to do him last, let it sink in he's failed and watch his own men die. Or actually he may have gone first if it wasn't for that Stormcloak rushing ahead, then they just did it in whatever order.
There wasn't a need to rush, Ulfric was surrounded by an entire garrison. He wasn't getting out of his situation, after all no one thought a Dragon would come out of no where.
You call the Stormcloaks nothing but a militia of shopkeepers and farmers. Keep one description and stick with it okay?
They technically are, but they do have ex Legionaries.
If it's nothing but a rebellion that only needs locally recruited auxillaries to deal with, then it doesn't effect the Empire AT ALL and should have no bearing on your plans with the Thalmor.
Of course it affects the Empire, and it would require normal Legions to deal with it properly. Why do you think Tullius is requesting reinforcements? Between Pale Pass and Titus II's unwillingness to directly involve himself, it requires creative thinking on Tullius' part.
It does have bearing on our plans, because the Legion believes the Thalmor are behind this uprising.
Also, check out the "Crisis of the Third Century". The Roman Empire managed another two centurys after such an incident
So has the Imperial Empire after the "Oblivion Crisis", the differences between this Third Century Crisis and what is happening now is still big. I doubt Rome was facing a Great War, where they would either live or die and having two thirds of their Empire perhaps break away on the brink of such a war.
The Nords have done more than any other race to 'earn' the respect of the Empire.
Actually, Skyrim is perhaps the most troublesome province of the Empire. Nords on a whole are quite respected warriors, but there are differences between respecting a culture and a people.
The Dunmer fought alongside the Nords during the Alliance Wars.
Just look a few quotes down, and to be honest I'd expect you to already know of the Nords accomplishments in the Great War.. Or do you just cherry pick your knowledge?
What of the Bretons and the Imperials? The Nord Legionaries doing their job and upholding their oath to the Emperor doesn't mean their culture should just be suddenly respected.
Imperials and Nords have fought many wars together, conquered Tamriel together. Do the Nords respect the Imperials? Hardly, they view each other as either weak or savages.
And it doesn't matter if you disagree with it or not, the Empire uses Ulfric's 'racism' as propoganda, when they are just as guilty of it themselves.
The 'Empire' doesn't even bring up Ulfric's "racism", not once does Rikke, Tullius or any Legate mention it. You have those who may support the Imperials, view Ulfric and the Stormcloaks as against outsiders and xenophobic. It isn't so much Ulfric's actions, but lack there of. He's entirely Nordic focused.
The Empire doesn't segregate people, nor are they xenophobic. The Stormcloaks are your standard Old Hold Nords, if you're a Non-Nord you're rarely trusted and considered an outsider who doesn't belong.
Let's all feel sorry for the poor Dunmer whilst at the same time treating the Nords like idiotic tribesmen.
The nobility of provinces may look down upon Nords, or those who don't know much about them. But not once does the Empire as a whole segregate them, or treat them as second class citizens.
Tullius ends up respecting the Nords, his time with them changes his view. Coming from Cyrodiil, there are huge differences to Skyrim's way of life.
The Orcs face racism from everyone, Imperials, Nords, Bretons, Redguards. But, these people are not the Empire as a whole. The Empire (Which doesn't have a single culture, race, or is racist) were the ones who recognized the Orcs as citizens.
Calling the Empire racist against Nords is a stretch, because Nords are the Empire also. Unless they're racist with themselves.
A Jarl isn't JARLS is it? Your quote is wrong. One political figure was killed, not two or more.
"That's what started this whole war. The Empire couldn't ignore that. Once the jarls start killing each other, we're back to the bad old days." - Alvor.
No it isn't wrong, it is just grammatically correct. "Once the jarl start killing each other" wouldn't make sense in English (Cyrodilic).
Jarls as in two Jarls fighting. Takes a Jarl to kill a Jarl.
The fact that they are such a warlike people is why you need them so badly. If not for the ''lawless barbarians' of the Legion and their battle hardened courage and experience, you'd have no Imperial City left.
You do realize that without any race there wouldn't be an Empire left. Doesn't matter what the Nord Legions did, they wouldn't have been able to do it without the Breton or Imperial legions either. It could have been the Breton Legions just as easily as it was the Skyrim Legions.
They're trained the same way, a Nord Legionary is the same as an Imperial Legionary or Breton Legionary. Where do you think this experience comes from? Legion training is the same for all races, unless you're not infantry.
The utter disdain the Empire shows towards Nords and their culture even just after the Great War is disgusting.
The Empire isn't a single race, Nords make up the Empire. If you mean the disdain certain Imperials show the Nords without ever knowing them personally?
Nords show Imperials and Bretons disdain, even after fighting together as brothers in the Great War. The soldiers would respect one another, they will always prefer their culture over others however. Bretons believe their politics are better than Skyrim's. Nords probably feel the same about theirs.
If my people litteraly saved the asses of my rulers and were still looked down upon as lawless idiotic barbarians I'd be mad too.
Your rulers don't look down upon you. The Elder Council and Emperor have never shown any disdain for the Nords. A General here, some random nobles who have never been to Skyrim, yeah. Doesn't mean the entire Empire hates you.
"Can't say I'll ever get used to the damn cold, or understand these Nords... but I've come to respect them." - General Tullius
He comes to respect them, still waiting for you to respect the Bretons, the Dunmer, the Imperials.
Romans adopted everything from foreigners. The formation fighting was just an adaptation of the failed Phalanx.
Would have been far more interesting if the Argonians remained the Romans of Tamriel. Lizard Emperors.
The Empire's 'main' race are the Imperials, who are obviously designed from the Romans. There names are Latin ffs. How can you be so ignorant to the obvious?
The Argonians had Latin names too. I'm not saying they're not based off Romans, but their culture isn't 100% Roman. You do realize that 50% of Cyrodiil are more Nordic in nature?
And the Roman mail armor was designed after fighting in Gaul. Esay to compare the similarities isn't it?
If you're looking hard enough. As I said to Ozan, we can compare 'The Matrix' to Tamriel too.
Once again, taking things to the extreme to make your point more valid. Typical strawman.
You're right, I apologise.
I was pointing out YOU CAN compare the Empire to the Romans, Nords to Vikings, Redguards to a more Arabic culture etc etc, as that is OBVIOUSLY what Bethesda based each culture from. Nords who die in battle go to a final resting place of no pain, unlimited drinking, feasting and fighting that basically mirrors valhalla is in no way similar to the Norseman now is it? lol..
You can compare them, but it doesn't mean they're going to follow the same road. Such as "Well the Romans did it, I'm sure the Imperials will manage" or "Vikings were able to do this, thus the Nords can" "Spain did this!" etc.
Not really, your arguments become worse when you relate my inteligence to my allegiance of an in-game faction.
Pfft, filthy Nord. Get civilized.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:ABCs_for_Barbarians
