Why do some People think Ulfric Stormcloak is Racist

[Docta Corvina]

Since Im inept at copy/pasting, see your first response to Longestskies comment. Nice try indeed

See what? This:

Pretty much this - seems to me that the Empire and the Legionnaires fighting for it absolutely possess honor, it's just perhaps conceptualized differently from that of those calling themselves Stormcloaks.

There is nothing contradictory in what I said. I introduced my line of argumentation that spoke to how honor is or may be seen to be conceptualized differently among the two factions. ie., the Imperials' perceived notion of a more utilitarian form of it versus the Stormcloaks' more inward looking sense. There's nothing "script flipping" about that.

 

[Docta Corvina]

Another way to look at it. They got the Night Mother's crypt in Bravil. This war was responsible for crippling the Dark Brotherhood! It's serious stuff that is.

Haha, indeed it is!



I love these threads.

 

[FullmetalHeart20]

I'm not taking about hippies dude. I'm taking about communists and socialists. McCarthyism tried to stop this type of ideology from poisoning our society, but it was obviously a flop. Just watch, the communist need to destroy the free market system and the free people's rights before they can take full power and show you what they really want. They're slowing chipping away at the constitution, the bill of rights and our economy. They're doing it slowly, and softly so people gradually get used to the idea of being screwed all the time. As long as the media is liberal bias, the people will listen and be brain washed. You'll see.

Liberals and Conservatives have opposing ideas. There is nothing wrong with this. When they clash, what the people want is revealed. The conservatives have just as much chance to be used for an insidious agenda. Please do not post about this anymore in the wrong subforum just because you don't like how people are thinking.

 

[thatwudbryan]

Stromcloaks fight cause Ulfric wanted power. He killed the high king to send a message. The talos worship is just an excuse. Because the empire did not enforce it until Ulfric had his period. And that is not opinion it is fact. Ulfric takes advantage of peoples sentiments and deliver fine speeches.

My thoughts on Ulfric's logic: The Empire is weak (it is, no doubting there) Have a strong willfull leader to take its place, Ulfric please stand up. I heard of a sick minded, manipulating, military genius before think his name was Hitler. An A-hole yes, a great leader? O why yes indeed-e.

P.S.
Lets not forget its a video game, not tying that to RL beliefs

 

[thatwudbryan]

See what? This:



There is nothing contradictory in what I said. I introduced my line of argumentation that spoke to how honor is or may be seen to be conceptualized differently among the two factions. ie., the Imperials' perceived notion of a more utilitarian form of it versus the Stormcloaks' more inward looking sense. There's nothing "script flipping" about that.

Look at what that coment was in response to, seems SC sympathizers can see thier respective sides flaws while Imperials like their plush seats on their high horses . Typical Imperialism at its finest

 

[koty889]

1. Ulfric did not murder Torygg, he dueled him and won.

2. I apologize, i meant province of Cyrodil, Hammerfell that is, and when a province can hold off the Dominion, the whole Imperial Legion should be able to.

 

[Docta Corvina]

Look at what that coment was in response to, seems SC sympathizers can see thier respective sides flaws while Imperials like their plush seats on their high horses . Typical Imperialism at its finest

Have I ever argued that the Empire was perfect or that I love the WGC like that one kid friggin' loves coloring? C'mon now. Just because I favor that side doesn't mean I'm blind to their issues. What they represent and fight for weighs more with me. I am allowed to argue just as vigorously for the Empire as Stormcloaks are for their side. No need to get bothered by that.

 

[thatwudbryan]

1. Ulfric did not murder Torygg, he dueled him and won.

"Such is the Nord way."

 

[Austin Chaos]

Just wanted to make a couple observations...

One, respect to the writing staff who came up with a war and a revolution that is fleshed out enough to cause emotional reactions among fans. There are supporters of both sides, and most agree that the situation isn't black & white.

Secondly, regardless of affiliation, it cannot be denied that many of Ulfric's supporters are radicals. They dislike anyone who isn't a Nord, native to Skyrim (kind of reminds me of a Histler-esque mindset...blonde hair, blue eyed protestants were favored) and many absolutely hate dunmer.

Even if Ulfric is the greatest humanitarian alive, his victory ensures the prominence of such a hateful mindset, and that simply isn't acceptable to me. Should he win - A) He'll now have a shattered and divided Skyrim to try and rally against a Thalmor presence who will surely use the opportunity..B) Have a shattered and divided Skyrim who's hatred breeds, and grows to the point where its dangerous to be any race but Nord...and C) have a shattered and divided Skyrim who ISN'T receiving aid or finance from ANY outside source. There would be no petitioning the Empire to send food or supplies should the Thalmor decide to seize Skyrim in the aftermath, as well as having no allies on three different borders. Basically, in a huff that stems from RACE and RELIGION, and a desire for political power, Ulfric has put Skyrim into a position to simply be the last of a crumbling empire. There is no hope for victory with an Ulfric victory...all hope for Skyrim is lost.

Anyway, the beautiful thing about this story is that the same argument can be made that a weakened Empire cannot defend Skyrim from the Thalmor, cannot afford to support Skyrim in times of struggle, and ultimately pave the way for a Thalmor takeover of Tamriel. I think, really, either way you cut it, Skyrim is kind of doomed.

 

[thatwudbryan]

Have I ever argued that the Empire was perfect or that I love the WGC like that one kid friggin' loves coloring? C'mon now. Just because I favor that side doesn't mean I'm blind to their issues. What they represent and fight for weighs more with me. I am allowed to argue just as vigorously for the Empire as Stormcloaks are for their side. No need to get bothered by that.

Exactly

 

[Docta Corvina]

Exactly

Well, now that that's settled.

 

[thatwudbryan]

Someones angry and offended LOL

 

[Austin Chaos]

Yes, but with a weapon that is both beyond Torygg, and not available to most. If someone challenged you to a duel, and would be using a surprise AK47 while you use a sword....would that be a fair duel? Or would people look at that as if your challenger deceived you and used an unfair advantage? They wouldn't respect the man for killing you...they'd think him a pathetic murderer.

But if Ulfric was upfront that he would be using shouts, and Torygg still accepted, then no...it wasn't murder. Just pathetic.

 

[thatwudbryan]

Well, now that that's settled.

Btw, your angry counter response proves my viewpoints on shunning Imperials and siding with Ulfric. Much like in the game, "you win some, you lose some"

 

[Docta Corvina]

Btw, your angry counter response proves my viewpoints on shunning Imperials and siding with Ulfric. Much like in the game, "you win some, you lose some"

What angry counter response? Or, which, since you seem to think I'm not actually laughing my ass off right now at all this.

 

[FullmetalHeart20]

Look at what that coment was in response to, seems SC sympathizers can see thier respective sides flaws while Imperials like their plush seats on their high horses . Typical Imperialism at its finest

Ulfric thinks he has some right to rule Skyrim, even though there are citizens who are sick of him. Typical Stormcloack way. Also, power and wealth speaks little about ones character. Ulfric killed the High King in the 'Nord way'? How happy would he be if he lost such a challenge? There's a name for NPC's who find it barbaric and abbhorant, and that's 'evolved'.

 

[thatwudbryan]

Just wanted to make a couple observations...

One, respect to the writing staff who came up with a war and a revolution that is fleshed out enough to cause emotional reactions among fans. There are supporters of both sides, and most agree that the situation isn't black & white.

Secondly, regardless of affiliation, it cannot be denied that many of Ulfric's supporters are radicals. They dislike anyone who isn't a Nord, native to Skyrim (kind of reminds me of a Histler-esque mindset...blonde hair, blue eyed protestants were favored) and many absolutely hate dunmer.

Even if Ulfric is the greatest humanitarian alive, his victory ensures the prominence of such a hateful mindset, and that simply isn't acceptable to me. Should he win - A) He'll now have a shattered and divided Skyrim to try and rally against a Thalmor presence who will surely use the opportunity..B) Have a shattered and divided Skyrim who's hatred breeds, and grows to the point where its dangerous to be any race but Nord...and C) have a shattered and divided Skyrim who ISN'T receiving aid or finance from ANY outside source. There would be no petitioning the Empire to send food or supplies should the Thalmor decide to seize Skyrim in the aftermath, as well as having no allies on three different borders. Basically, in a huff that stems from RACE and RELIGION, and a desire for political power, Ulfric has put Skyrim into a position to simply be the last of a crumbling empire. There is no hope for victory with an Ulfric victory...all hope for Skyrim is lost.

Anyway, the beautiful thing about this story is that the same argument can be made that a weakened Empire cannot defend Skyrim from the Thalmor, cannot afford to support Skyrim in times of struggle, and ultimately pave the way for a Thalmor takeover of Tamriel. I think, really, either way you cut it, Skyrim is kind of doomed.

Yup, Us against them. After all we are just ordinary men

 

[thatwudbryan]

What angry counter response? Or, which, since you seem to think I'm not actually laughing my ass off right now at all this.

Hehehe I jus sense someone doesn't like the Imps bein called out for their BS but its ok to bash SC's allday. Tryin to keep a level playin field is all I can see how these threads are so popular, definately entertaining

 

[Janus3003]

Hehehe I jus sense someone doesn't like the Imps bein called out for their BS but its ok to bash SC's allday. Tryin to keep a level playin field is all I can see how these threads are so popular, definately entertaining

....um, I don't think she's raging, bro. Her jimmies remain pretty well unrustled.

 

[Docta Corvina]

Hehehe I jus sense someone doesn't like the Imps bein called out for their BS but its ok to bash SC's allday. Tryin to keep a level playin field is all I can see how these threads are so popular, definately entertaining

Man, that's what happens in a political debate: people have sides they strongly favor. I personally haven't seen much anti-Stormcloak postage from you, though if I've missed them, then my bad.

It'd be naive to say that the Empire totally lacks issues and I'd never argue that. But once again, for me, the issues the Stormcloaks have outweigh those of the Empire. Just how it is.

For you and others, it's different. Such is life.