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Why do some People think Ulfric Stormcloak is Racist

Discussion in 'General Skyrim Discussion' started by Nordic Vampire Lord, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. samgurl775

    samgurl775 Cerberus Officer

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    "Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer." - Javik, ME3
     
  2. Seanu Reaves

    Seanu Reaves The Shogun of Gaming

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    lolz I like this one... The empire still has honor :D saying otherwise is just a cynic projecting his personal views. anyway. Thanks for the post boost.
    Empire= more loot and money, and better equipment.
    So pragmatics choose the empire.
     
  3. samgurl775

    samgurl775 Cerberus Officer

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    Very true, I'm just of the opinion that honor is ridiculously overrated and over emphasized :p
     
  4. Docta Corvina

    Docta Corvina Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much this - seems to me that the Empire and the Legionnaires fighting for it absolutely possess honor, it's just perhaps conceptualized differently from that of those calling themselves Stormcloaks.
     
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  5. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Honor money and earthly possesions? Hmmm, if you were to take a look back in history n see what kind of people valued this sense of 'honor' (WOW!) and how they are viewed now, they look like POS. STORMCLOAKS :D
     
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    Docta Corvina Well-Known Member

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    Seems to me there's a great deal of honor to be found in doing what appeared best for all of Tamriel and not just one group of people in it.
     
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  7. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    What? Money, replaceable possesions and respect amongst High Kings n Queens???? Yeaaaaaahhhhhhh, they can keep all that. Nice dodge btw ;)
     
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  8. Docta Corvina

    Docta Corvina Well-Known Member

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    Dodge of what? If you're trying to tell me the Stormcloaks don't value their earthly "stuff", including their homes and businesses and possessions (as anyone else would), you must think you can sell me a bridge too.

    As far as saving/attempting to save Tamriel's people, yeah...I will take that.
     
  9. FullmetalHeart20

    FullmetalHeart20 Well-Known Member

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    It's not a dodge. It's ones view of the CW. Kinda like how you're 100% behind Ulfric despite any flaws the Stormcloacks have. I suppose it's easy to tolerate bigotry when the targets are elves and lizards.
     
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  10. Jersey Dagmar

    Jersey Dagmar Just in time for the fiyahworks show! BOOM!

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    I think your tin-foil hat is deep frying your brain. Well, if you had a brain at all.
     
  11. samgurl775

    samgurl775 Cerberus Officer

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    Respect amongst High Kings and Queens? I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say.
     
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  12. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Big difference from what was bein said earlier, comparing the SC's honor of their homeland, religion and prowess in battle to the Imperials sense of honor of their earthlty possesions, then you flipped the script for a sneaky victory. Of course majority if not all value such things as you mentioned, thing is thats not at the Heart of the whole SC cause. You implied thats what the Imperials 'honor' is, Im jus reminding thats NOT the SC's reason to fight.
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Having your master pat you on the head for doing as your told
     
  14. Docta Corvina

    Docta Corvina Well-Known Member

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    When did I imply that all the Imperials are fighting for is stuff? You are the one, good sir, who said that's all that motivates them. I am talking about preservation of lives. The Great War was thoroughly devastating and I don't think enough people realize just how so. People of all races fought and died, with Cyrodiil getting some of the absolute worst of it. While we can look back on the WGC now with the benefit of hindsight and try to paint it all sorts of ways, the fact is that smoking ruins and stacks of mangled corpses abounding were great motivators to pursue a cessation of the violence - and not just to save what remained of Cyrodiil. The Empire was then and has been a force comprised of many. The ones fighting the Stormcloaks now are conscious of the lasting threat.

    Talk about trying to flip the script. Nice try.
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Whoa whoa whoa 100%?????? BOTH Imperials and Stormcloaks are FOS n have their flaws (which has probably been said 5000 times on this forum if not more) this is an undeniable fact. Honestly though, as petty as it sounds, I don't like red, I do like blue. I don't like major powers, I do support the minority/rebellions. As you said before, its a video game, I'll play it for maximum enjoyment
     
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    Seanu Reaves The Shogun of Gaming

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    Stromcloaks fight cause Ulfric wanted power. He killed the high king to send a message. The talos worship is just an excuse. Because the empire did not enforce it until Ulfric had his period. And that is not opinion it is fact. Ulfric takes advantage of peoples sentiments and deliver fine speeches.
     
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    My apologies. I thought you were one of those fans that bashes one side and ignores the others flaws.
     
  18. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Since Im inept at copy/pasting, see your first response to Longestskies comment. Nice try indeed
     
  19. FullmetalHeart20

    FullmetalHeart20 Well-Known Member

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    Another way to look at it. They got the Night Mother's crypt in Bravil. This war was responsible for crippling the Dark Brotherhood! It's serious stuff that is.
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Nah I just like helping the weaker sides :p more fun that way. Like if they did make the universally wanted blank VS Thalmor DLC, it would be much more challenging as a SC
     

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