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Why do some People think Ulfric Stormcloak is Racist

Discussion in 'General Skyrim Discussion' started by Nordic Vampire Lord, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    My bad, just trying to speak from different POV's, not name calling *put hands up*. Have you read All of Ulfric's dossier??? Not exact words but, "It is also unwanted for Ulfric and his rebellion to win this war" basically that, jus not word for word. That is the smell of fear my friend. N by 'supporting' the SC's I assume you mean by not interfering? Or are the Thalmor killing Legion soldiers along with talos worshippers as well?
     
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    Zoa Two Tails Cloak and Dagger Artist

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    Well I have never saw an imperial and a thalmor fighting... TBH they seem like they are butt buddies and would never hurt eachother other than the white lotus or whatever the hell the treaty is called.
     
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    Seanu Reaves The Shogun of Gaming

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    my good man we found the difference. Where I see that as saying they want to drag the civil war out. You look for some trace of fear from the Thalmor. These are people who see humanity as trash... Do you fear your trash?

    Also for your second point they say that "Indirect support" which means money weapons what have you. After all they even say if it was direct Ulfric would turn it away. Such is the nature of politics and well made stories nothing is as clear cut as you or I want to believe it to be...
     
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  4. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    At the same time why would you Not want the weaker of the two piles of trash as they were to see it win??? Either they fear or they just wouldn't like to see Ulfric win in any case, a petty thing the Thalmor wouldn't even need care about such as a morale victory for Ulfric think about it. They fear the wrath being brought into battle that the nords would carry with their momentum after beating the mighty legion. Not to mention the Thu'um, something NO Elf could match magic or not. As for the indirect support thats arrogant and foolish of them, if the SC's were to win the Thalmor would be taking a dangerous chance, much like the SC's are doing. N thats a good thing they have to indirectly take aid from the Thalmor, the spineless Imperials have already done that after asking pwety pwease :rolleyes:
     
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    Zoa Two Tails Cloak and Dagger Artist

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    Oh kids nowadays... all are getting mad at one simple post and then it turns into a personal war :p you guys need to hug and make up and then go kill some thalmor and have a nice drink...:beermug::Dovahkiin:
     
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    Seanu Reaves The Shogun of Gaming

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    Who asides from the greybeards can shout? Ulfric? hes kinda a broken men thanks to the Thalmor and he is only one man. Moral or Morale? Do either matter when comparing resources? Skyrim would become Poland. The Empire is not taking thalmor help except for respecting the nature of two countries. Nords may be strong but thanks to Ulfric they are split. Even if the Civil war Ended with Stormcloak victory (without Dragonborn influence) Skyrim is still shattered. In the end Ulfric did not do anything but make the Thalmor a bigger part of skyrim life. Woot!!!
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    No hostilities or anger here Mr. Two tails, jus arguing for the SC side is all :) Gotta support the minority over the majority ;)
     
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    Seanu Reaves The Shogun of Gaming

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    Who is mad? I am actually enjoying this quaint civilized debate
     
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    Zoa Two Tails Cloak and Dagger Artist

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    Imperial dogs are a pain in the ass anyway always trying to remove talos... What a non loyal group of bastards they are...
     
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    Seanu Reaves The Shogun of Gaming

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    lolz you haven't done your homework or read most of the thread. Imperials were willing to look the other way until Ulfric forced the issue. And then the Thalmor came...
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Moral, good catch. "Respecting the nature of two countries" , soooo nice way of saying please don't kill us all we will sign the treaty? Basically. The way things go in game regardless of either side you pick goes in a downward spiral anyway, bringing up that Skyrim would be shattered if the SC's won is just a cover up for the Imperial side because same would happen if they won. TES VI steps in somwhere at that point I'd guess
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Willing to look the other way while people died, my point EXACTLY.
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    "Faithless Imperial dogs."....... "Next Imperial I see; is DEAD.".............. "So why'd you join the Stormcloaks?" :p
     
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    Zoa Two Tails Cloak and Dagger Artist

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    Pretty much If the imperials dont have any benefit to pay attention then they wont do it and instead will look away rather than to aid the thalmor resistance...
     
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    Zoa Two Tails Cloak and Dagger Artist

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    I joined the cloaks when the imperials tries to chop my head off. I was instantly a SC on my first playthrough and the mojority of them thereafter even as a khajiit in my first play through
     
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    Captain Nagisus Jake the Dog!

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    No offence, but you're kinda twisting his words. He said they were willing to look the other way while people worshipped Talos privately. Then Ulfric started stirring up trouble, and THAT'S when the Justiciars came in and started being oppressive.
     
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    Zoa Two Tails Cloak and Dagger Artist

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    Uhh rude... trying to insult my friend... uncalled for discount
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Worship Your (Their) god privately??? What kinda crap is that? The nords aren't for secrecy and living in fear for whats a major aspect of their lives, just ask Heimskir.
     
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    Captain Nagisus Jake the Dog!

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    I wasn't offending him, I was just saying. He twisted around what Longest said - something perfectly valid and true - turning it into something to support his own argument that is completely false. It's not uncalled for, it's just a fact.
     
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    Captain Nagisus Jake the Dog!

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    Balgruuf seemed okay with it! And so did a lot of Nords, before people like Heimskr and Ulfric started being trouble-makers and riled everyone up. I'm just saying, people were free to worship Talos as much as they wanted before the Civil war, and as long as it wasn't so public the Thalmor heard about it, it'd be fine. Let's say you're a real ale-lover. You only ever drink real ale, nothing else, not even water. You'll probably die prematurely. If you were dying of dehydration in a desert, would you rather have a cup of water, or nothing at all?
     

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