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Why do some People think Ulfric Stormcloak is Racist

Discussion in 'General Skyrim Discussion' started by Nordic Vampire Lord, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Not coherent? Do you not speak or understand human emotion? *ERR DER ERR DERR* sorry :p Ulfric aint a sissy he isn't goin to 'worship in private' what kinda plops is that??? Say it loud n proud man don't be a bitch about it. N that last statement is BS or else his high n mighty ass would go solo with just galmar shouting (or attempting) to shout all those in his path if was just for glory and not his people as a whole

    O yeah and "the Empire did not the enforce the ban on Talos worship." I'll give it a pass n say it was coherent ;)
     
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    Janus3003 Skyrim Marriage Counselor

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    Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor, and if your ways and traditions are in the way of your people's prosperity and safety, then they need to change.
     
  3. Jersey Dagmar

    Jersey Dagmar Just in time for the fiyahworks show! BOOM!

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    Please go back to the first grade and learn how to write the English language properly.
     
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  4. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    You don't angrily attack, I like that and well said. On the flip side though it takes a bit of a while to just brush off 1000s of years of tradition and beliefs of a group of people who stand for what Ulfric does. Im sure the imperials can agree on that.
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    :):D:D:D Mad??? GOOD. Some emotion, good to see
     
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    Jersey Dagmar Just in time for the fiyahworks show! BOOM!

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    You can detect raw emotions over the internet and through text? tumblr_m306w5C2Y01r13ncl.gif
     
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  7. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Well, when somone replies to a statement with the opposite sides legit points of view and your only response can be a petty 'first grade rate" insult, it can be a fair assumption I'd say, sure. O yeah and maybe ;) This one is filled with empathy and understanding for multiple aspects of most things.
     
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    Raijin said: ↑
    I'm sure Rolff Stone-Fist is thinking up of a plan to whack the new Jarl. After all hes considered essential to the game.

    So he'd basically be Skyrim's James Earl Ray?
    Whoever says the Empire was weak and caved, try to imagine a scene like Kvatch from Oblivion. Picture burning fields and ruined towers, the ground littered with corpses. Imagine an enemy that sweeps across the land killing all in their path. The Thalmor declared war with the heads of every Blade in the Summerset Isle, you know. Just imagine such horrors across Cyrodiil, knowing Skyrim was next on the list, and then decide if they were weak.
     
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  9. Jersey Dagmar

    Jersey Dagmar Just in time for the fiyahworks show! BOOM!

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    Actually, no. I make a valid complaint. It's difficult to take your argument seriously when you are typing in nothing but internet slang/lingo. If you want people to seriously debate you, be serious about it. And write things out. In other words, be coherent.
     
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  10. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Does n-for and and o for ohh bother you that much???? You're refusing to acknowledge my counter arguements because you know you can't argue against human (in game NPC) emotion, so your just bashing my laziness which I will not change for your liking, sorry. I am being relatively serious in regards to the debate, your like I said, just getting mad that you can't counter argue my points so your trying to belittle me. VERY petty if you ask me, which is good, because I have a plethora of petty soul gems at my disposal with a Greathammer of enchanted soul trapping of BS. :)

    Edit: O n cuz for because as well, mah bad
     
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    Zoa Two Tails Cloak and Dagger Artist

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    Besides I sure that when you get to know Ulfric hes probably a good guy with good intentions just doesn't quite know how to go about accomplishing his goal while being politically correct.
     
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    Captain Nagisus Jake the Dog!

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    I don't mean to sound too mean, so don't take too much offence if I do.

    In Skyrim, I'm fairly sure there's no such thing as politically correct. The Emperor could insult an Argonian, and he wouldn't be berated constantly by news reporters. In the real world (AGAIN WITH THE REAL WORLD COMPARISONS), if a politician insulted someone who's black, he would be up to his ass in the press. His segregation of other races has absolutely NOTHING to do with his goals, it is merely for his own intentions because he dislikes foreign races. Sure, he's a Nord, they're all a bit reserved towards other races, but I don't think if you put an average, neutral-to-the-war Nord on the throne, he would suddenly say "Okay, everyone who isn't a human who supports me, get the hell out."
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    And on the flip side, Tulius has Always struck me as n uptight, condescedning A-hole who only shows his emotion in a downtrodden, sissy way. Ulfric shows his emotion like a man, not like some plush girly punk. I've played the Imperial side all the way through and made a point to see Tulius' deal BTW, hes a sissy punk
     
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    I think you're both ignoring each others points, making this a mockery of a debate.
     
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    Captain Nagisus Jake the Dog!

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    Wait, which two of us are you talking about? Jersey and bryan?
     
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    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Thats what everyone is doing becuase both sides are flawed so they just decide to not mention the bad with the good. Unless you mean the whole grammar thing, I acknowledged it but it was mostly ignored :p I also from time to time mention the SC's and Ulfric's flaws or at least mention the truths of others counter arguements also so, disagree
     
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    Quote " It is true Ulfric's a fool for taking on what would/could be his Greatest ally...." I at least acknowledge it, most imperial supporters wouldn't do the same, main reason Im here backin up the SC's. Hypocricy
     
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    Even despite all of the BS Ulfric owns as a character and no matter how marred his legacy will be due to his actions (and inactions), I am glad to see that the man isn't a Terminator and seems to at least feel some level of concern and shame relating to all that's happened.

    When asked by the player character about taking out the Emperor on his visit to Solitude, this is how he answers:

    While it's good to see that he's got the ability to think ahead to some extent, it also strikes me as odd that he wouldn't think that his rebellion could very likely have the same effect. It's a huge gamble he's taken by killing Torygg and igniting rebellion, and he indirectly admits as much above. If he's not ready to take on the bulk of the still-rebuilding Empire, what makes anyone think he's able to take on the Dominion with his forces? It's a point that keeps coming up and so many seem to assume that he's the only man in the room who can make it happen and especially after such a candid admission, why is this the case? I'm honestly asking this question out of genuine curiosity, because to me it makes no real sense.

    Also, and perhaps more strikingly yet, if and when you meet him in Sovngarde, he's absolutely NOT holding his head high and beating his chest while taking long, masculine swigs of a dead man's drink. Quite the contrary:

    He's reflective and rather melancholy when he laments the dark folly of warfare the likes of which has so far only succeeded in feeding the great beast Alduin - who is feasting on the souls of his kinsmen. You might have expected him to be overly proud and blustering toward the end, even past the end in his afterlife. But even he sees the writing on the wall, albeit too late. He acknowledges the loss and even the fact that Nord soldiers of both sides - Stormcloak and Imperial - have found their way to a miserable existence after death in a horrific war. He'll even tell you that "courage is useless" if spoken to additionally.

    I imagine that if you got to see Tullius' ghost, he might have similar things to say. After all, that's how I read his actions and his words at the end of the Stormcloak questline, when it's all finished. He laments the obvious victory the Thalmor have scored with the casting of the province into bitter chaos and the subsequent blow to the Empire. Realistically, neither side comes out of the conflict immaculate, even if victorious. And that, again, is what works to make the civil war itself so very tragic. Case in point, even if the policies in Windhelm are of no consequence to you personally, it's pretty hard to maintain that division serves better than efforts at unity in the face of a shared menace like the Thalmor.
     
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    Yep, no winners in Civil War that everyone can agree on. Also theres no need for things such as pride and honor when one is dead and gone. When dead one can only look back on his actions as a man for all of eternity and truly decide if he was in the right or wrong. That is the greatest punishment or accomplishment for lack of a better word when its all said n done.
     
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    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    To me Tullius strikes me as a guy who really don't want to be in Skyrim. Hes a miserable old man. He has no real morals. He doesn't apologize to you for attempting to kill you as the executioner was inches away of cutting off your head. He instead says it in the most sarcastic way, enough that you want to bash his face in with your fists. It takes a real man to admit his mistakes... not Tullius. He doesn't care at all.

    I too played the Imperial side, and let me tell you this I'm glad this is just a game, and not RL. I'm glad I'm much more knowledgeable that I was back on my first game play. Seeing the final approach (Battle of Solitude and Windhelm) on both sides I'm actually more impressed with Ulfric than Tullius. Ulfric refuses to surrender, and would rather die for what he truly believes in while Tullius cracks up, and wanted to surrender to the Stormcloaks. Is it no wonder the Empire is so fluffed up. No wonder is falling apart.
     
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