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Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

Discussion in 'General Skyrim Discussion' started by EvilCrazyCows, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. DrunkenMage

    DrunkenMage Intoxicated Arch-Mage

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    It isn't so bad, I visit him and leave him copies of 'The Talos Mistake' for reading material. ;)
     
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  2. Vatonage

    Vatonage Joyeuse et Glorieuse

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    Sybille is a vampire. Its likely she was trying to misdirect the court for her own ends. She could have been a follower of Potema, or wanted her rising for other reasons.
     
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    Or, you know, it is just a game and has no bearing on real life.
     
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    Vatonage Joyeuse et Glorieuse

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    Thank you, sir. We needed that obvious statement.
     
  5. DrunkenMage

    DrunkenMage Intoxicated Arch-Mage

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    Except there is nothing to suggest she is trying to misdirect the court, or even is a follower of Potema. Something on that scale is generally hinted at, has notes mentioning the fact on their person or in their residence.

    Just because she is a vampire, it doesn't mean she has an obvious evil intention. The Count of Skingrad was a vampire, he didn't have any sinister plots. Lore wise there are plenty of vampires who make their home in the bureaucracy of the Empire.

    If there was something more incriminating, then maybe. "She's a vampire" isn't enough to suggest she is aiding the necromancers.
     
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  6. The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

    The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
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    Except for the fact, once again, that they could get a job (similar to the dunmer and high elf, as well as the argonians who live there and function), earn their own money, pool it together, and afford supplies and even an escort.
     
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    They barely get any jobs, and business is slow in Windhelm, especially for Dunmer. In fact, Suvaris is the only one employed by a Nord.
    And afford supplies or escorts? Well you're funny. If you haven't noticed, there's a war going on and supplies get plucked away from soldiers who consider themselves to be 'heroes' and therefore have the right to take what they need.

    They stayed at the inn, but didn't pay. They said soldiers don't need to pay because they're risking their lives to protect us. And that's not all. They took a heap of our lumber, and one tried to have his way with my daughter. They think they can do whatever they want.

    Besides, there isn't going to be a lot of stuff concerning food around Windhelm anyway unless you're crazy enough to hunt in a blizzard. If they ever had the means to afford supplies there's the chance they'd need it for their survival.

    And don't use High Elves - probably hinting at Niranye - as an "example of elves being productive". She's a fence, has underground contacts, there's a good chance she bribed guards etc. Argonians? Seriously? Do you think they live outside the walls because they wanted to?
    They've been locked out. To avoid conflict with the Dunmer probably, but they're still facing harassment from Nords as well.

    Even the smallest among them. All the Argonians at the docks are nice to me. Good thing, too, or father would run them off!
     
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    bit late to draw that conclusion after 830 pages of discussion. You participate in the conversation just like her. Could say the same thing to you
     
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    DrunkenMage Intoxicated Arch-Mage

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    If Jarl Balgruuf can barely afford food supplies and soldiers, the Dunmer are suddenly going to pay for it all on their low end jobs?

    The Dunmer do have jobs, it isn't a case of "Well get a job" they work. What little money they do earn would have to go towards their food and clothes, they'd hardly have enough to fund that kind of journey.

    Faryl Atheron is employed by Bolfrida and Idesa Sadri is employed by Clan Cruel-Sea.

    There is Dunmer working for Cruel-Seas and Shatter-Shields... So that kind of backfired on you?
     
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    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    If you want to see true discrimination you might want to head on over to the vigilant of stendarr headquarters. I've seen so many of these folks chasing after vampires with their maces, and beating the crap outta them as they beg for mercy. When the vampire is cowardly submitting to them they show no mercy and still beat the crap out of them.
     
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    Yeah, but they actually tell you there is no mercy before they beat you. "Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the Vigil have none to spare." So is it really surprising they don't show mercy after they've just mentioned not showing mercy?

    What do you expect from some inquisition fanatic militia? Why is the Vigil relevant anyway, they make no secret of not being nice.
     
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    Mikulas Black-Blade The Cave Bear

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    Ambarys: "I'm going back to Morrowind first chance I get."
    My point is theyre not willing to wait
     
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    There is a Dunmer working for the Shatter Shields and shes scolded by The Other Dunmer for doing so:

    Ambarys: "Don't you ever find it demeaning, working for that Nord family?"
    Suvaris: "Look, Ambarys, I just came here for a drink. I don't need any trouble."
    Ambarys: "Fine, then. I guess some Dunmer are content to be their pets."
    Suvaris: "Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that, and you're going to leave me alone. Deal?" or maybe something like this:

    Ambarys: "What's new with the Shatter Shields Suvaris? Have they given you one of those helmets with the horns on them yet?"
    Suvaris: "What do you want from me? I work for them ok? We're not friends. They pay me, and I get the job done. That's it."
    Ambarys: "Touchy. Maybe some Dunmer lives in you yet."
    Suvaris: "Either pour another drink or keep moving, Ambarys."
     
  14. Raijin

    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    I don't know. Those two Stormcloaks didn't do anything that prompts me to want to kill them. In fact it doesn't make any sense to kill them considering the fact that you're at a weak level, and need all the help that you can get to escape from the keep.


    Apparently they're working hard to achieve this goal.

    Skyrim is in shambles right now. The Thalmor are here because the Empire allowed them to be here. Talos worshipers are being slaughtered and being harshly imprisoned that carries out abuse. Ulfric is desperately trying to drive out any imperial influence from Skyrim and making the country independent. priorities are being set. The highest priorities get far more attention then the lowest priorities. You expect Ulfric to give full attention to a few unhappy Dunmers living in his city? Do you expect him to give them resources therefor shorten up the Armys supplies because of few Dunmers who refuse to contribute?

    At least that's a plus.

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    Yeah the Argonians truly have it rough down there. Keep telling me more about how rough they have it while the beggars (One of them is a former Stormcloak soldier) are forced to stay outside, and beg for coin. I don't know how they can die living in the Argonian Assemblage. They have heat and proper equipment to cook their food, and have beds to sleep on.

    Missing travelers and odd lights... mmmm.. that's enough evidence that is needed to start up an investigation, especially since you're dealing with something supernatural in the making.

    As for Sybille.


    Shes by far more worried about her experiments rather than what truly goes on in Solitude.An investigation in the cave takes resources, and she rather have that go to her experiments and studies.

    Sorry but her statement is irrelvent considering the fact that she is a vampire, and most likley are part of the necromancers plan to bring back queen Potema.


    That is one thing that you're going to fail my Imperial friend :)



    They're also guest of Skyrims lands. If you want to be treated equally you need to make yourself known, and to contribute and nobody is treating like second class citizens.
     
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  15. Mikulas Black-Blade

    Mikulas Black-Blade The Cave Bear

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    I know... but The others don't and they certainly could. But why don't they ALL MIGHTY DRUNKEN MAGE? To me Those four Dunmer seem to be trying to integrate while the rest hold them back. So no it didn't backfire. It actually proved my point. Thank you.
     
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    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    I don't hand them out I take them away :cool:


    Shame on you! SHAME ON YOU!
     
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    I'm really not too sure Hard Work alone is going to fix things for the Dunmer or anyone else. After all, laboring for almost nothing for the Shatter-Shields has done the Argonians no favors - whom, as we may recall, were actually relegated to living outside the city walls. o_O On Ulfric's watch, no less.

     
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    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    Seems like the hard work is helping this Dunmer out, and don't forget that the Guards are recommending people to go the pawn shop to sell their unnecessary stuffs. That's soliciting business for the Dunmers.

    Windhelm isn't all that bad to the Dunmers after all.
     
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    And yours is by far a more beautiful creation indeed! Which is why I use it now instead of my turd I created
     
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    In terms of endearing them to insular and otherwise unfriendly Nords, I don't think it's helping. He may be making more money than before, but he's not enjoying the same freedom of habitation as non-Dunmers and non-Argonians.

    Just because Ulfric isn't sending midnight posses to systematically destroy the Dunmer residents does not negate the fact that they are being discriminated against based on their race.
     

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