I don't remember this particular scene you're discussing here. I always follow Ralof and I was never in the position where it was necessary to kill these 2 Stormcloaks whom you're bringing up. I don't recall ever seeing a Stormcloak torturing an Imperial solider. On the other hand you brought up the quote of where Hadvar said "These bastards call themselves Imperial Legionnaires..." and you clearly ignored my comment about Hadvar's lack of loyalty to the Legion by not doing a damn thing, and brought up some lame excuse to try to debunk what I originally said.
Like I said before, and I will c/p what I wrote on my previous thread...
I'm glad you've mention that scenario with Hadvar because his lack of action causing the death of his fellow comrades was on the borderline of treason. He just stood there and done nothing while his prisoner slaughtered them to bits. How can he say those words when he refuses to give a helping hand to his own? What kind of Legionnaire just stands there while his prisoner is slaughtering his kind? Unbelievable!
You can attack the two Stormcloaks without any problems from Ralof. Hadvar makes those comments when the two Legion torturers are dead, either by your hand or the Stormcloaks.
Maybe so but the Thalmor is highly interested in taking over Skyrim at this very moment, as they clearly indicated in their battle dialogue. They also want to enslave the Nords by making them as thralls.
Are they going to take over an entire province from a single embassy with Justiciars? The Thalmor don't number that high in Skyrim, they want to take over Tamriel. They need to defeat the Empire's armies on their border before they can even think about taking over Skyrim.
The companions aren't fighting this war because they're not into the political aspects of Skyrim, and to be quite frank I don't understand why you're bringing them up when were clearly discussing about the Dunmers in Windhelm. The Companions are very valuable in the contribution to society. What has the Dunmers of windhelm ever did to Skyrim that deserve such respect? What have they done to Windhelm that requires Ulfrics top attention? Can you tell me that?
I brought up the Companions because they're not fighting in the Civil War because it isn't their fight. So why should the Dunmer pick up a blade in Ulfric's name?
The Dunmer in Windhelm work and provide a service for Windhelm, they're not begging or depending on the local government to feed and clothe them.
Like I said before the Dunmers should count their blessings for getting this far, and to be safe and secured inside of a strong walled city.
Really? Shame the Argonians can't agree to that. Windhelm is a harsh city and it is very cold. Run down buildings can lead to people dying.
I've already pointed it out. If you want to see the evidence go back to my previous post. I don't feel like repeating myself at this time. The evidence was right there.
"Your eminence, my scrying has suggested nothing in the area. Dragon Bridge is under imperial control. This is likely superstitious nonsense." - Sybille
The Court Wizard didn't detect anything (Most likely due to the powerful nature of the Necromancer Coven) You say he has evidence, but nothing major. Certainly not something to divert limited guards to go on a possible wild goose chase. He already says with the war he had to prioritize, he has reports of lights and apparently travelers disappearing. Which could indicate bandits or wild animals.
Does Tamriel look like Australia to you? What gives you the right to lecture me about what is proper law?
Have I ever said Tamriel was Australia...? Where are you even getting that from. Tamriel is Tamriel and there isn't waivers to sign etc.
It is a medieval fantasy setting, law and punishment isn't fair.
While Torygg did acted like a true Nord when he accepted Ulfrics terms, that doesn't give him the excuse to break Imperial law by accepting it. No matter what their hearts tells them they must go by what the law dictates for as long as their province are under Imperial jurisdiction.
We'll make a bureaucratic Imperial out of you yet.
They want everything Handed to them. Think about it, They went from Great Houses and monumental Fame to pl*** and Poverty. I'd want my mansions back too. Unfortunately they'll have to live with it.
Where is your source for that? Since they make no mention to wanting anything handed to them.
Malthyr:
"You've seen how we live -- cramped alleys, run-down buildings, few guard patrols. Even the name 'Gray Quarter' is an insult."
Brunwulf:
"I'll speak to Ulfric soon, but I make no promises that I can change his mind."
Malthyr:
"That's all I ask. With your help, we have a chance to make a better life for ourselves here. For that, I thank you."
They just want their Jarl to listen to their concerns, they're citizens of Windhelm too. They've also been 'living with it' for at least 185 years
... So you really have nothing when saying they can't handle being in poverty.
They're just trying to make their living, and home. They've lived in Windhelm long enough to at least be treated as members of the city, they all work and none are begging.
The Dunmers are complaining that they live in small houses and live in poverty, and if the Dunmers don't like Skyrim they can free to leave the state and go else where. Perhaps Cyrodill can welcome them, and put up with their attitudes.
No they're not. When the Empire takes over:
"Well, not yet. The Empire hasn't been in charge for that long, and real change takes time. Still, having a just and honorable man like Brunwulf in charge can only be an improvement. Unlike Ulfric, Brunwulf has shown a great willingness to work with the other races and make us feel more at home here. For the first time in a long while, I truly believe that there are brighter days ahead."
Show me where they're asking for big houses and money? They're actually just happy that Brunwulf Free-Winter is meeting with them, listening to their complaints and discussing improvements to make repairs when they can.
Ulfric's steward could have done that and there would be no issue. All they want is to be treated fairly, majority of them work hard and businesses pay taxes. Ulfric was making money and resources of food for his rebellion because of the Dunmer
, so they do more for the city than some Nords.
They sell goods, farm and one (through not so honest means) made a Nord shipping business able to compete with the East Empire Company. So I don't see where you Stormcloak supporters can say they're just a burden on the city.
Dunmer are good hard workers, they just ask to be treated like everyone else. Look at the history of Raven Rock, with the right encouragement they can achieve things.
They shouldn't have to be treated like second class citizens. They've given 185 or more years into Windhelm, and Ulfric's own father and his father before him going back a bit, treated them fairly.
