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Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

Discussion in 'General Skyrim Discussion' started by EvilCrazyCows, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. Raijin

    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    And whats wrong with fighting for your right to be called High King? What's wrong with fighting for your right to openly worship Talos? Why must Skyrim obey a weaken Empire to weak to rule? Skyrim is Nord land. The Nords should rule, not the Empire. Unfortunately a civil war is often necessary to root out corrupted politicians who refuses to step down from the bench. Torygg was a corrupted High King who worried more about Imperial coins then his countryside, and Ulfric witness this with his own eyes. While Torygg was intrigued about Ulfrics Ideas about Skyrims independence, he done nothing about it. Imperial coin was way more important than without.
     
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  2. KingNLD

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    so what enough to do the right thing not much nation have more than half some people are scared etc.!

    but here it comes to let you own people kill !!!! no!!!
     
  3. Flint firestorm

    Flint firestorm The leading man, who else?

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    hmmm its funny how they said ALL the jarls took the coin. now, unless Ulfric wasn't the jarl then that means that he took the coin to. in what way was Torygg corrupt? for honoring his oaths? for wanting peace?

    but your right about the civil war as a way to remove corrupt politicians. definition of corrupt: "Having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain". in my book taking oaths and not keeping them is dishonest. looks like the only corrupt one's are the ones who broke their oaths to the empire and to Torygg.
     
  4. Flint firestorm

    Flint firestorm The leading man, who else?

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    there not scared, they just want to stay with the empire. The all Ulfric has done in skyrim since killing the high king is weaken both the empire and skyrim. its not Independence if its forced.
     
  5. KingNLD

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    Flint Firestrom:
    When Ulfric Stormcloak, with savage Shout, sent me here, my sole regret was fair Elisif, left forlorn and weeping.""I faced him fearlessly - my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained - can Ulfric say the same?"


    Yes of corse can Ufric say the same he WIN! :p TORYG IS DEAD BY NOW! ;)
     
  6. Flint firestorm

    Flint firestorm The leading man, who else?

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    so when Balthasar Gérard killed Willem de Zwijger , even though he had a gun a William had a sword, it was still honorable because he won?
     
  7. DrunkenMage

    DrunkenMage Intoxicated Arch-Mage

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    The Nords do rule Skyrim, unless you can point me to a non Nord ruler of a Hold? But you forget there are many races in Skyrim, Skyrim has been a part of a Cyrodiil Empire since the Second Empire under Reman. Is a Dunmer born in Skyrim any less important than a Nord born in Skyrim? To the Stormcloaks yes, there is a difference. To the Imperial Empire, no there isn't a difference. I support racial equality, something that the Empire spreads.

    The High King can't declare independence without the backing of his Jarls, he would need Ulfric to actually ask him. Torygg was Jarl of Haafingar, the Nine Holds are all largely independent. He can't force anything onto them, the Pact of Chieftains is a Nordic tradition. He would need the support of his Jarls, otherwise all he can do is make Solitude independent.

    You also have no proof of anything bad against Torygg. He killed Torygg as a mere message to the other Jarls. Imperial coin had nothing to do with it, Torygg was the High King of Skyrim, last time I checked, Kings had money. You have no basis on which to call Torygg corrupted. The man greatly respected Ulfric and would of more than likely gone independent had Ulfric, simply asked him. You're willing to twist around every word, every person to try and make Ulfric Stormcloak look like a saint. The man is a murderer, a coward and frankly he's an idiot. He can't even look after his own Hold. Look at Windhelm, the place is nothing more than a slum, stockpiles empty, the city is basically bankrupt, they can't even investigate a serial killer. You don't see that crap in Solitude.

    "We loved Talos more than the Imperials" No, Talos proved his power of the Thu'um the Nords still raised an army against him.

    Now lets take a look at how the Imperials are tyrants forcing the Nords into 'chains'

    War of the Red Diamond, Skyrim takes up arms against the Empire and the Dragonblood Empress. Empress Kintyra II, captured and died in captivity. Skyrim gets away with this uprising, the evil Imperial tyrants didn't force the Nords into chains and oppress them.

    War of the Bend'r-mahk, Skyrim invades High Rock and Hammerfell, destroying the combined armies and taking many miles of land. Skyrim still hasn't returned that land, they just invaded two provinces of the Empire, killed Imperial citizens and captured land for themselves. Skyrim gets away with it, the Imperials didn't come and oppress.

    Now we take a look at what is happening now, "The Imperials are oppressing us" No, the Imperials weren't even bothering with Skyrim, they poorly enforced the treaty on Talos, and everyone who worshiped it, didn't even care, they all had their little shrines to Talos. Twenty six years later, Ulfric kills the High King of Skyrim, the rise of the Sons of Skyrim and the Thalmor spread like a cancer, dragging people off for even secret worship. Using the Civil war to roam around Skyrim freely, unchecked, unchallenged. Because Ulfric has forced the soldiers off the roads, who patrol and protect the citizens. Into Military camps and front line battles. Unable to even stop the Thalmor, twenty six years and the Thalmor were kept in line. They couldn't make an arrest without proof, without Imperial consent. The treaty didn't allow them amazing powers, it didn't allow them to kill and torture. They're using Ulfric to be able to do that. Any death of a Talos worshiper by the hands of the Thalmor is Ulfric's fault. Not the Empire's, twenty six years the Empire was in control and no problems with the Thalmor.

    Ulfric rises up, and now there is a problem with the Thalmor. The Empire may have allowed them into Skyrim and the other provinces of the Empire, but it is Ulfric who gave them the ability to kill Nords and Imperials alike, with no one there to stop them, because their asset Ulfric Stormcloak is helping them do that.
     
  8. KingNLD

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    hehe :p you know it's not fair it's different! Ulfric and Türig was a fair fight man to man! and even worse that ULFRIC had to escape because the damn empire wanted him there to also pick up
     
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  10. Flint firestorm

    Flint firestorm The leading man, who else?

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    Actually it was more like man to much bigger man with magike powers and more experience. Of course the empire wanted to stop him. He just committed treason.
     
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    If you look at it this way, the Imperials, in the start of the game, tried to effin' kill you! On the other hand, the Stormcloaks mostly consist of Nords, who are racist bastards. So, in the end screw both of them. I liked the Stormcloaks when I first started the game. But, I am an Orc thief, I guess I am not very well liked as it is.
     
  12. KingNLD

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    Nein! it's not FAIR! listen he says yes! 2 things can happen Ulfric get op the trone! or he can leave
    solitude if he not killt the Queen! but no that damn empire brook the honor and went after him!
     
  13. Dagmar

    Dagmar Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim

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    It's not different at all. Calling something fair doesn't magically make it so. Balthasar Gérard and Willem de Zwijger was man to man confrontation as well. One had a sword and the other had a gun. With Ulfric and Torygg, one had a sword and one had Thu'um.
     
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    DrunkenMage Intoxicated Arch-Mage

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    The Empire wasn't even fully there, it would of been Solitude Hold guards after Ulfric, not Legionnaires.

    Ulfric fled back to Windhelm and raised up arms against the Western Holds. He started the Civil war, the Empire has stepped in to restore the peace. Tullius was sent from Cyrodiil to handle the matter. The Imperials weren't there from the beginning. It was a Nordic isssue, the Empire had to get involved since a Civil war is bad. Also because he killed the High King, mainly cause of the High King issue.

    Tullius: "You started this war, plunged Skyrim into chaos, and now the Empire is going to put you down, and restore the peace."
     
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    Docta Corvina Well-Known Member

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    Wow. You know the Empire's won when the Stormies resort to juvenile name-calling. ;)
     
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    the THU'UM can not make you kill!!!!!
     
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    DrunkenMage Intoxicated Arch-Mage

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    Insulting Docta!?! Peaceful talks are over. It's war now.

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    kind of a NERD? :D you know i make jokes.... Empire Total War Rome 2 no this better than the Legion :p
     
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    Anouck Queen of Procrastination

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    Show some respect. Having a different opinion doesn't give you the right to insult people.
     
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