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Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?
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DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Talking about the Civil War right here.
You know who said that?
Rimfaxe96
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And a year later communism developed in Tamriel.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Careful, those are the words of Tiber Septim himself. When you meet his aspect.
Ru;indil
Mage Lord of Skywatch
There aren't many Stormies on the forums these days, isn't it?
This can only mean one thing...IMPERIALS HAVE CONQUERED THE KINGDOM OF SKYRIM! ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR TITUS MEDE THE SECOND AND HIS GREAT EMPIRE!!! Dear [player_name] , the Imperials have succesfully silenced the majority of the rebellion of Skyrim. We have established our rule on the kingdom. However, please note that there are rebel camps situated on the cliffs and countryside of Skyrim , mainly in the region of Eastern Skyrim. All hail the Emperor and his great Empire! ~General Tullius
This can only mean one thing...IMPERIALS HAVE CONQUERED THE KINGDOM OF SKYRIM! ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR TITUS MEDE THE SECOND AND HIS GREAT EMPIRE!!! Dear [player_name] , the Imperials have succesfully silenced the majority of the rebellion of Skyrim. We have established our rule on the kingdom. However, please note that there are rebel camps situated on the cliffs and countryside of Skyrim , mainly in the region of Eastern Skyrim. All hail the Emperor and his great Empire! ~General Tullius
Rimfaxe96
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Makes me only more curious about what changes TES6 might bring. Gosh it's been almost 3 years, and TESO is still a work in progress, but I need a few breadcrumbs every once in a while. Good thing that the novels are distracting me a little I guess.
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
Ahem! (hands up) The empire hasn't defeated me yet... and they wont. They will have to take me away in a pine box before I submit in defeat.
Rimfaxe96
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Jeremius
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Talking about the Civil War right here.
You know who said that?
Wulf, right? The supposed aspect of Talos?
NENALATA
Last King of the Ayleids - RETIRED
Yeah and so who cares what Talos thinks. Talos told the Empire what he thought about it in the Great War when he turned his back on it. Unlike earlier when hordes of Demon armies laying siege to the Imperial city and only Akatosh shows up (that we know of) and of course, Sheogorath as well. Who gives 10 Septims what Talos thinks about anything? He's part of the reason the Empire is having so many problems now.
Ok look. Let's stop and ask the people of Tamriel what they want. And what do they want? Majority seem to all be in favor of the Imperial system. No, everyone will not be happy and everyone wasn't always happy with the Empire. However, it seems that was more about politics and less about the Imperial system itself.
I dunno. If the Empire's creation was blessed/made possible by Akatosh and said Divine sent another Dragonborn into Tamriel, that kind of sums things up nicely for me.
Talos did a lot for the Empire but he also lead the Empire away from some of it's core values. It wasn't supposed to conquer the world, just provide an Social/Economic and Militaristic avenue for the Kingdoms of man.
The Empire will be just fine, but always remember there is a disconnect between Akatosh and Lokir, with Talos being a dragonborn, yet being more in line with Lokir.
I would advise using caution of any talk about permanently dissolving the Empire. Unless of course you prefer Elven rule and the Thalmor can make that happen as well. Note* when I say Elven rule I do not mean Ocato. I mean... ELVEN RULE SUCKER.
Ok look. Let's stop and ask the people of Tamriel what they want. And what do they want? Majority seem to all be in favor of the Imperial system. No, everyone will not be happy and everyone wasn't always happy with the Empire. However, it seems that was more about politics and less about the Imperial system itself.
I dunno. If the Empire's creation was blessed/made possible by Akatosh and said Divine sent another Dragonborn into Tamriel, that kind of sums things up nicely for me.
Talos did a lot for the Empire but he also lead the Empire away from some of it's core values. It wasn't supposed to conquer the world, just provide an Social/Economic and Militaristic avenue for the Kingdoms of man.
The Empire will be just fine, but always remember there is a disconnect between Akatosh and Lokir, with Talos being a dragonborn, yet being more in line with Lokir.
I would advise using caution of any talk about permanently dissolving the Empire. Unless of course you prefer Elven rule and the Thalmor can make that happen as well. Note* when I say Elven rule I do not mean Ocato. I mean... ELVEN RULE SUCKER.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
He's confirmed aspect of Tiber Septim. Uncertain it being Talos since a few people apparently make up Talos, but Wulf is Tiber Septim's aspect.
Wasn't Lokir the thief who was killed by Imperial Archers?
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Stormcloak Skyrim will collapse. Ulfric may unite them for a time, but it won't last.
For brief periods, one ruler has managed to unite all of Skyrim, but the Nord character is one essentially of conflict, and the confederacies never last. - PGE, 3rd Ed/Skyrim
I could see Ulfric keeping Skyrim together for the remainder of his life, maybe a bit longer if his heir manages to hold things. Past that, doubtful. With the old traditions back, it'll turn to infighting with the Jarls. When you can challenge the ultimate authority for the throne, through tradition, without the Empire stepping in. There will always be one warrior who thinks he'll do a better job.
Rimfaxe96
Well-Known Member
Perhaps she meant Lorkhan?
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
You're a vampire; the Dawnguard will get you down.
I have several Dawnguard members captured in my dungeon as we speak. They make good cattle for my people.
Stormcloak Skyrim can only collapse if Ulfric or Galmar does not reproduce children with the same strong ambition (particularly males) to take over the throne when Ulfric dies, and even if the two men do bare children the only way the new government can possibly be destroyed is if children turn out to be another Saerlund. Stormcloak Skyrim will not collapse with the return of the old tradition. It will only make Skyrim stronger, not weaker. If a Jarl thinks hes stronger than the King then let them duel over it in combat; it is the Nordic way of life.
The Empires method for controlling Skyrim is not in the best interests for the people of skyrim but rather for their own personal benefits; to continue to control Skyrim. To put someone like Elisif (who have little experience of ruling) on the throne does not benefit Skyrim at all.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Many 'Kings' have tried, they all fall. It's who the Nords are, Ulfric took Skyrim by force, and there are still many who call him murderer and usurper.
Jarls will always think they're stronger, many who believe they should be King. Many who don't want a King ruling them from another Hold. The Nords are a race of conflict. Stormcloak Skyrim is destined to collapse, the Empire is what kept them together for a long time. With the Legions loyalty to the Emperor, alone. It keeps a balance of power.
Even at the end of the Stormcloak quest line, Galmar mentions "But, I'll also be training men and women for their new armies."
Their new armies (He's talking about the Jarls). Nine armies, loyalties to their Holds and Jarls. Nine differing opinions. You don't see the recipe for disaster there? Once Ulfric dies, and the moot meets. Who is to say these Jarls, with their nice new armies. Decide they each should be King, and war with anyone who stands in their way. Be the War of Succession all over.
The Empire's method for controlling Skyrim is for the benefit for the Empire (Which Skyrim is part of). Elisif has little experience, true. But experience is gained over time, with Rikke and Falk guiding her. By the time the Legion hands back control (Which will be in several years) she'll be ready. Elisif won't be leading any wars, won't be facing much problems. She does have good advisers.
Rimfaxe96
Well-Known Member
You're a vampire; the Dawnguard will get you down.
I have several Dawnguard members captured in my dungeon as we speak. They make good cattle for my people.
And I'm restocking my Vampire Dust as we speak. Not that it'd be of any use, but it's fun to burn vampires to the ground.
30 years war, anyone? Of course it's not all the same, but there's plenty of conflict going on, plenty of bloodshed, plenty of innocents dying and there's still religion somewhere in between.
Plus, Elisif cares about her people. Would have given people food for free if the Legion didn't require it (not criticizing the Legion at that point; go to a few of the military camps from both sides and take a look at the injured folk, they're miserable and the job isn't nice with these conditions anyway), and yeah, people learn in time. Could care less how much Bacardi she can down at the Embassy, and even that's not easy for her, considering that she had wanted to go to parties like these - well, or better ones - with her now dead husband.
Caideus
Member
Picking sides over the Empire or the Stormcloaks; the Empire over-all is your better hope but can be conflicting when you start to think about Skyrim's citizens being taken by the Thalmor. If you side with Ulfric's Stormclaoks, you can rest safely knowing that Skyrim's children are safe and free to worship Talos. If the Stormcloaks find victory for there freedom though, you will be dooming them the eventual invasion of the Aldmeri Dominion, should the Aldmeri forces find victory over the Empire.
This was my conflict.
This was my conflict.
NENALATA
Last King of the Ayleids - RETIRED
Hmmm... The all around best option would be to have both sides sit around a kitchen table, meeting each other face to face and no one leaves the room until a lasting peace deal has been struck.
Alas, if only we had such a luxury. Ba we don't do we? No sir. Someone's gonna die and someone's going to get a 2nd chance. Could be Stormcloaks, could be Empire.
So, instead of "beating down the door" by trying to hate on one side and make the other side Prince charming, we can arrive at a conclusion in a non-bias fashion.
The good, the bad, of each side is water under the damn. When you are choosing "a side" in this nonsense, you are really choosing the future.
And so, I conclude that for those sitting on the fence or not entirely certain, to refer to "Season Unending". Explore the dialogue, place your bets and see how each party handles this.
This more than anything should point you in the right direction.
NENALATA
Last King of the Ayleids - RETIRED
Decided to take my own medicine, so to speak. I like this Google Chrome. Good stuff, alot more stable than that Firefox. Simplistic, efficient. Anyways...
Back to business.
Now, I have to say, that I can sympathize with Ulfric on many levels. He and his crew would rather trust their steel and their own wits over leaving their fate in someone else's hands. Ulfric has clearly suffered at something inside him is so wound up it can't be consoled. Only blood and vengeance will console him. Only getting everything on his bottom line will make him better.
I'm honestly starting to warm up to Ulfric. lolz I feel his pain, his agony, the shame he carries daily seeking vindication by any and every means necessary. I guess I understand *finally* where he's coming from. He wears his courage as his armor, however there is a downside here. He's reckless and his wounds are impeding his leadership ability as well as his personality. Something else I can relate to, unfort.
On a lighter note, you have Gen Tullius, a firm believer in the Empire's mission and a man whose planted on solid ground. An interesting man he is, as he seems to find surety in the middle such great uncertainty. This is a very rare ability, something even I haven't discovered yet. Gen Tullius is like one of those guys off survivor, leading his team from island to island, like a Starcraft 2 vet in 4 v 4, where 3 of his team members have fallen and who says to them still we'll make it. Damn the odds, Gen Tullius is like we'll make it.
Again, it's so sad that neither can walk away from this. However, I'm going with Mr T. Mr Mac Truck himself. Gen Tullius really is a good leader... something about him. Aw hell, Ulfric had his change to run away, he could live behind the walls of Windhelm and recover there the rest of his days. Living in luxury and Solitude, as I wish I could. Never having to deal with people or bring himself down to the level of rude, obnoxious, unintelligent people with no passion.
I think Gen Tullius is everyone's best hope here. Esp with the Emperor gone, as I feel the Emperor is holding him back. Holding alot of them back. I would say let Gen Tullius live, let's see what he can do once he's free of the baggage.
