Cicero is Best Follower
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Should I kill him? I could make it quick and painless...But then the best dragon dies...Hmm...
Spoiler So...Should I Kill Parthunax?
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LotusEater
I brake for blue butterflies
Do. Yes they are.
Lucid
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Is your character interested in rebuilding the blades? Or do you feel it important to eradicate all dovah? If so you should kill him.
I did once and it felt kind of hallow, but that character was a heartless killer so it fit. I feel I benefit more from his continued existence than from Delphine's allegiance, so I don't kill him anymore.
I did once and it felt kind of hallow, but that character was a heartless killer so it fit. I feel I benefit more from his continued existence than from Delphine's allegiance, so I don't kill him anymore.
LotusEater
I brake for blue butterflies
What benefit? Just curious. Aside from the meditating, which can be done before your asked to kill him, what are you missing out on with him dead? Sure, the Greybeards won't give you Shout locations anymore, but who cares, Esbern sends you to kill dragons and it's pretty much the same thing. In my opinion, you benefit more from his death.
If you allow Paarth to live you get the benefit of changing your meditation at will and the Greybeards reveal Shout locations (yawn). If you kill Paarth you get all his loot and Soul, you get to join the Blades and learn a cool Active Effect from Esbern, you get to recruit up to three NPC's to join and they will join you on Esbern's dragonslaying missions, I've never known a Greybeard to join me in a Dragon Priest fight.
Btw, I'm a minority. Most people seem to love Paarth for some reason, but the Blades offer way more in terms of a faction and play value than the Greybeards on their best day. Especially since any benefits you can gain from Paarth and the Greybeards can be gained before you are asked to slay him by the Blades.
Nighthiker77
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So you can keep Force Without Effort, kill him, and still have it?
LotusEater
I brake for blue butterflies
Nighthiker77
Well-Known Member
Awesome. That's the only reason I haven't killed him yet. Time to try out the Blades on my next playthrough. Might as well destroy the Dark Brotherhood too.
It will be my "all the stuff I haven't tried yet" playthrough.
Mr Forz
I'm helping. Mostly.
Killing Paarthurnax is the only way to prevent another treason, if he planned to make one, in a far future.
For the gameplay, him and the Greybeards don't give much.
For the argument itself, I'm really not going to bring up all the points that make the Old One just as forgivable as he's guilty (let's say that Ysgramor would be just as cruel then), so it will all come into this:
-In one side, he's overthrown Alduin in the past, he's into the Way of the Voice, he helped you bringing down his own brother with key elements such as the Elder Scroll, gave you a general understanding of Dragons and how they behave. He also doesn't hide you anything, not even the temptations to return to his original form
-However, he is Paarthurnax, "Ambition Tyranny Cruelty", a Dragon made to execute what the name implies and he did that rather well in the past during a part of the Dragon War. Dragons are made to dominate and if given the chance, they'll try anytime.
Do you believe that he truly changed? Or that he's just going to wait, outlast you and then take over?
For the gameplay, him and the Greybeards don't give much.
For the argument itself, I'm really not going to bring up all the points that make the Old One just as forgivable as he's guilty (let's say that Ysgramor would be just as cruel then), so it will all come into this:
-In one side, he's overthrown Alduin in the past, he's into the Way of the Voice, he helped you bringing down his own brother with key elements such as the Elder Scroll, gave you a general understanding of Dragons and how they behave. He also doesn't hide you anything, not even the temptations to return to his original form
-However, he is Paarthurnax, "Ambition Tyranny Cruelty", a Dragon made to execute what the name implies and he did that rather well in the past during a part of the Dragon War. Dragons are made to dominate and if given the chance, they'll try anytime.
Do you believe that he truly changed? Or that he's just going to wait, outlast you and then take over?
LotusEater
I brake for blue butterflies
Ya, I usually take the Fire Meditation from Paarth and then augment my Unrelenting Force with the Black Book in Solstheim to balance out those Shouts a little.
Lucid
Well-Known Member
What benefit? Just curious. Aside from the meditating, which can be done before your asked to kill him, what are you missing out on with him dead? Sure, the Greybeards won't give you Shout locations anymore, but who cares, Esbern sends you to kill dragons and it's pretty much the same thing. In my opinion, you benefit more from his death.
If you allow Paarth to live you get the benefit of changing your meditation at will and the Greybeards reveal Shout locations (yawn). If you kill Paarth you get all his loot and Soul, you get to join the Blades and learn a cool Active Effect from Esbern, you get to recruit up to three NPC's to join and they will join you on Esbern's dragonslaying missions, I've never known a Greybeard to join me in a Dragon Priest fight.
Btw, I'm a minority. Most people seem to love Paarth for some reason, but the Blades offer way more in terms of a faction and play value than the Greybeards on their best day. Especially since any benefits you can gain from Paarth and the Greybeards can be gained before you are asked to slay him by the Blades.
Valid question. The benefits I see are the ones you referenced. I like being able to change the shout meditated on, and going on a Thu'um bender, then changing it up. I also like the word location hints from the Greybeards, but acknowledge that Esbern provides the same.
I respect that Paarthurnax says that people are right to not trust him, and find it more palatable than Delphine and Esbern's characters.
You're right about the Blades assistance on dragonslaying missions being a benefit, and it's a nice way to rid yourself of a surly Housecarl or three.Though I imagine that at some point Delphine will get on Lydia's last nerve and one of them will die. I want to watch that happen, but don't want to kill a dragon that has been nothing but helpful to me just to set the stage for it.
LotusEater
I brake for blue butterflies
What benefit? Just curious. Aside from the meditating, which can be done before your asked to kill him, what are you missing out on with him dead? Sure, the Greybeards won't give you Shout locations anymore, but who cares, Esbern sends you to kill dragons and it's pretty much the same thing. In my opinion, you benefit more from his death.
If you allow Paarth to live you get the benefit of changing your meditation at will and the Greybeards reveal Shout locations (yawn). If you kill Paarth you get all his loot and Soul, you get to join the Blades and learn a cool Active Effect from Esbern, you get to recruit up to three NPC's to join and they will join you on Esbern's dragonslaying missions, I've never known a Greybeard to join me in a Dragon Priest fight.
Btw, I'm a minority. Most people seem to love Paarth for some reason, but the Blades offer way more in terms of a faction and play value than the Greybeards on their best day. Especially since any benefits you can gain from Paarth and the Greybeards can be gained before you are asked to slay him by the Blades.
Valid question. The benefits I see are the ones you referenced. I like being able to change the shout meditated on, and going on a Thu'um bender, then changing it up. I also like the word location hints from the Greybeards, but acknowledge that Esbern provides the same.
I respect that Paarthurnax says that people are right to not trust him, and find it more palatable than Delphine and Esbern's characters.
You're right about the Blades assistance on dragonslaying missions being a benefit, and it's a nice way to rid yourself of a surly Housecarl or three.Though I imagine that at some point Delphine will get on Lydia's last nerve and one of them will die. I want to watch that happen, but don't want to kill a dragon that has been nothing but helpful to me just to set the stage for it.
Dealing with Delphine is definitely a negative. Esbern isn't much better. Fast-traveling factors in to my decision as well. Lack of fast-traveling that is. Since I'm a walker, going to see Esbern at Sky Haven is much more appealing than walking that mountain a bunch. Plus I get to devastate a tribe of Forsworn when I see go Esbern, so there's always that too.
Remington721
Member
Well Stated Mr. Forz .
TheLonelyWolve
My precious
All I can say is that, A quest left uncompleted. hmmmm.
Nighthiker77
Well-Known Member
The only reason I'd kill my bud Parthie is because I have tried it yet, but i do spend 95% of my Skyrim time on the dark side.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
I will not have the authority of my Thu'um questioned in front of other dragons. If Paarthurnax lives then he will try force the Dragons to submit to the power of his Thu'um.
There can be only one.
There can be only one.
Rimfaxe96
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I hate the Blades - Delphine in particular - more than I hate dragons. Plus dragons would be less annoying than a bitchy group suffering under great paranoia whose existence is still to be questioned. I mean, Esbern mentioned during "Season Unending" that he was at Sky Haven Temple in front of Elenwen, you know. Like, the Thalmor that can send even more Thalmor to that place and once they find them they're all dead in their so called hideout which was revealed just then. After all, if you talk to Elenwen before starting the negotiation she'll say that she now know "what and who" you are. Therefore I consider the Blades to be dead, dead and gone.
I have no reason to lead 3 other NPCs into their downfall, so for roleplay-logic reasons I would never kill Paarthurnax.
And I don't care about in-game benefits. It's not as if you character wasn't powerful enough as it is.
I have no reason to lead 3 other NPCs into their downfall, so for roleplay-logic reasons I would never kill Paarthurnax.
And I don't care about in-game benefits. It's not as if you character wasn't powerful enough as it is.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Except the location to Sky Haven Temple was lost since after the Reman Dynasty over two era's ago. The only way to know the location was in the single copy of a book that Esbern saved from destruction at Cloud Ruler Temple.
So unless you've turned snitch, they're pretty safe.
Edit: Lore wise, Delphine is a tough bitch to kill. During the war, she evaded three attempts on her life, in one case killing an entire assassination team. Since then, we have only indirect evidence of her movements, as she has proven extremely alert to our surveillance. She should be considered very dangerous and no move against her should be made without overwhelming force and the most careful preparation. - Thalmor Dossier, Delphine.
