Spoiler Vampire lord or werewolf?Who would win?

Zack hage98 said:

I feel like it depends on the character because of the enhancements (anything magic is vampire lord anything else is werewolf). I think the vampire lords are better during the nighttime and werewolves during daytime. The vampire lord can probably destroy the werewolf in a fight with its spells. Mainly the telekinetic grab and paralysis but it also has bat cloaks and can avoid the werewolves attacks with bat mists. Its claws do 25 poison damage if you have the perk and the drain health spell is phenomenal if serana isnt following you. On top of that the vampire lord can fly so it doesnt have to worry too much about the werewolf knock-back power attack and he can also waterwalk. They can also use the raise corpse spells. Dont get me wrong because i hate being a vampire unless im a vampire lord because of the sun weaknesses i know i can use auriels bow but it gets annoying ecspecially on solstheim with the ashy skies., but im talking about both creatures in there transformed forms. Which do you think is better for the player character and which do you think would win a fight against the other?

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tx12001 said:

you just have to go and float on water and the werewolf is screwed

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tx12001 said:

I said that the Vampire Lord would float over water where the werewolf could not attack them and then the vampire will blast the werewolf with blood magic while the werewolf is stuck on land and the vampire lord is in the one spot the werewolf cant attack them, the werewolf would be screwed

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tx12001 said:

Is that so, The Vampire lord would just wait for you to return to your human form then he would go after you and catch you in the vampiric grip as he slowly chockes you to death, the Vampire lord is superior to a Lycanthropein everyway, even the Deadra they were created by is more powerful so they themselves are more powerful and unlike a werebeast a vampire has all the time in the world as they re immortal and the werewolves are not and those you are immortal are superior to those who are not.

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Gidian said:

This is a tough call. I might have to throw myself at Harkon as a Werewolf to get an idea, but you people don't put enough faith in the wolf. Wolves have aa huge stamina pool, and someone devoted to the build would also have a substantial amount of health. Werewolves are also extremely fast and agile, and they have all thr instincts and reflexes of a dominant predator. They would be able to dodge projectiles quite easily. It would be a massive chase, but if a werewolf got close to the Vampire Lord at any point, it would be over extremely quickly and violently. I would think a spellcaster build would have a lot of magicka, and not invest so many points in hp while relying on hp drain. Also, if it hovered over water, I'd run off and relocate, and then you have a game of cat and mouse when the lord comes hunting. In that situation, the werewolf has every advantage. You're not hunting just some brute, you're hunting a predatory animal, likely in their hunting territory. It would be an extremely close fight, but if either one made a mistake it would be gameover almost instantly. However, if neither one made a mistake, I'd say the werewolf would come out on top.

Just my two cents and tactical analysis.

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TJ0331 said:

tx12001 said:

you just have to go and float on water and the werewolf is screwed

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Or the werewolf would simply not go into the water. Think of that?

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TJ0331 said:

tx12001 said:

Is that so, The Vampire lord would just wait for you to return to your human form then he would go after you and catch you in the vampiric grip as he slowly chockes you to death, the Vampire lord is superior to a Lycanthropein everyway, even the Deadra they were created by is more powerful so they themselves are more powerful and unlike a werebeast a vampire has all the time in the world as they re immortal and the werewolves are not and those you are immortal are superior to those who are not.

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Ok just make up scenarios to favor the vampire lord just because you want it to win. There are infinate possibilities when it comes to battle. Who's to say there aren't a whole pack of werewolves or who's to say the vampire lord has vampire thralls to help him out. There isn't really a way to predict the outcome. I'm done arguing because it is a pointless argument.

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Zack hage98 said:

TJ0331 said:

tx12001 said:

Is that so, The Vampire lord would just wait for you to return to your human form then he would go after you and catch you in the vampiric grip as he slowly chockes you to death, the Vampire lord is superior to a Lycanthropein everyway, even the Deadra they were created by is more powerful so they themselves are more powerful and unlike a werebeast a vampire has all the time in the world as they re immortal and the werewolves are not and those you are immortal are superior to those who are not.

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Ok just make up scenarios to favor the vampire lord just because you want it to win. There are infinate possibilities when it comes to battle. Who's to say there aren't a whole pack of werewolves or who's to say the vampire lord has vampire thralls to help him out. There isn't really a way to predict the outcome. I'm done arguing because it is a pointless argument.

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Im talking about 1 on 1(unless its by conjuration) full perks same level. Even while as a transformed werewolf the vampire can still grip him im pretty sure. ive done it do a giant.

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Gidian said:

This is a tough call. I might have to throw myself at Harkon as a Werewolf to get an idea, but you people don't put enough faith in the wolf. Wolves have aa huge stamina pool, and someone devoted to the build would also have a substantial amount of health. Werewolves are also extremely fast and agile, and they have all thr instincts and reflexes of a dominant predator. They would be able to dodge projectiles quite easily. It would be a massive chase, but if a werewolf got close to the Vampire Lord at any point, it would be over extremely quickly and violently. I would think a spellcaster build would have a lot of magicka, and not invest so many points in hp while relying on hp drain. Also, if it hovered over water, I'd run off and relocate, and then you have a game of cat and mouse when the lord comes hunting. In that situation, the werewolf has every advantage. You're not hunting just some brute, you're hunting a predatory animal, likely in their hunting territory. It would be an extremely close fight, but if either one made a mistake it would be gameover almost instantly. However, if neither one made a mistake, I'd say the werewolf would come out on top.

Just my two cents and tactical analysis.

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Zack hage98 said:

Even

Gidian said:

This is a tough call. I might have to throw myself at Harkon as a Werewolf to get an idea, but you people don't put enough faith in the wolf. Wolves have aa huge stamina pool, and someone devoted to the build would also have a substantial amount of health. Werewolves are also extremely fast and agile, and they have all thr instincts and reflexes of a dominant predator. They would be able to dodge projectiles quite easily. It would be a massive chase, but if a werewolf got close to the Vampire Lord at any point, it would be over extremely quickly and violently. I would think a spellcaster build would have a lot of magicka, and not invest so many points in hp while relying on hp drain. Also, if it hovered over water, I'd run off and relocate, and then you have a game of cat and mouse when the lord comes hunting. In that situation, the werewolf has every advantage. You're not hunting just some brute, you're hunting a predatory animal, likely in their hunting territory. It would be an extremely close fight, but if either one made a mistake it would be gameover almost instantly. However, if neither one made a mistake, I'd say the werewolf would come out on top.

Just my two cents and tactical analysis.

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if the werewolf can dodge the projectiles there is still the grip. Id have to say that that is the best power of the vampire lord. The werewolf can be tossed down anything right after being choked and possibly while being choked drained as well. If the vampire lord didnt have the grip i would say werewolf.

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Gidian said:

Zack hage98 said:

TJ0331 said:

Ok just make up scenarios to favor the vampire lord just because you want it to win. There are infinate possibilities when it comes to battle. Who's to say there aren't a whole pack of werewolves or who's to say the vampire lord has vampire thralls to help him out. There isn't really a way to predict the outcome. I'm done arguing because it is a pointless argument.

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Im talking about 1 on 1(unless its by conjuration) full perks same level. Even while as a transformed werewolf the vampire can still grip him im pretty sure. ive done it do a giant.

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I have never used a Vampire Lord transformation before. How does the Grip mechanic work?

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Zack hage98 said:

Gidian said:

Zack hage98 said:

Im talking about 1 on 1(unless its by conjuration) full perks same level. Even while as a transformed werewolf the vampire can still grip him im pretty sure. ive done it do a giant.

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I have never used a Vampire Lord transformation before. How does the Grip mechanic work?

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You have to get the perk by either doing multiple bite attacks or the drain health which is easier and unlock the spell than use it as a normal telekinesis spell. it basically holds the enemy in front of you as if you were holding an extremely light dead animal like a fox when it was dead. while doing that the victim is losing health and is subjected to explosive drain health spells and once you let go of the spell button they go flying possibly off of a very high spot. the only downside is that its a tad expensive in the magicka pool but if you are a spell caster then it shouldn't be a problem. Its mechanic is like a ward almost and all it needs is a victim to get in that direction and close enough (which is pretty far)

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Zack hage98 said:

Gidian said:

Zack hage98 said:

Im talking about 1 on 1(unless its by conjuration) full perks same level. Even while as a transformed werewolf the vampire can still grip him im pretty sure. ive done it do a giant.

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I have never used a Vampire Lord transformation before. How does the Grip mechanic work?

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You have to get the perk by either doing multiple bite attacks or the drain health which is easier and unlock the spell than use it as a normal telekinesis spell. it basically holds the enemy in front of you as if you were holding an extremely light dead animal like a fox when it was dead. while doing that the victim is losing health and is subjected to explosive drain health spells and once you let go of the spell button they go flying possibly off of a very high spot. the only downside is that its a tad expensive in the magicka pool but if you are a spell caster then it shouldn't be a problem.

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