Is the United States headed for a revolution?

44% or republicans believe that an armed revolution may be needed in the near future to "protect liberties", compared to 18% of democrats.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/armed-revolution-44-republicans-article-1.1332621

I guess it depends on who is in charge of the White House, huh?

When Bush was president, we weren't allowed to criticize the government nor the presidency. At least that's what all the Neo-cons said. It was "unpatriotic" to criticize the president and his policies. You weren't a "true american" if you didn't support Bush. You "hated the troops" if you were against the war.

I guess the same rules don't apply when we have a democrat in office? Because now, the government is "pure evil", along with the president, and has to be overthrown, like yesterday. Right....

Do these people honestly ever smell the stink of their own hypocrisy?

Do they not realize that if Obama was the evil dictator they made him out to be, he would have them dragged out in the street and shot for making threats like this?

Let's discuss this lunacy.

I see the chief characteristic of the conservative mindset to be a greater tolerance for hypocrisy and much less tolerance for dissent.

Liberals have a much greater tolerance for dissent with far less tolerance of hypocrisy.

So I would say that, yes, they smell the stink. But they don't think it's a problem.

I just also wanted to add this: Something the republicans having been telling democrats for years, and it needs to be thrown back in their face.

"Love it or leave it." If you don't like living in the U.S. anymore, you don't have to stay. So get out and let the country progress for once.

I like Obama. I voted for him twice. I would vote for him today. Still, he and most of the Democrats are on the wrong side of this gun issue, just like most Republicans are on the wrong side of the gay marriage issue. That being said, no I don't think it is anything we will see armed revolution over.

I live in Canada. The easy availability of guns in the US is the one thing that is most likely to persuade me to go back to Europe. I do not like how simple it is for them to get into this country.

Which part of my statement about my feelings did you disagree with, Two Bears?

The part where I said what was most likely to make me want to leave, or the part where I said I didn't like guns coming into Canada?

I mean, I don't mind you disagreeing when I make an assertion that can be disputed. But how can you disagree with something someone FEELS? Are you telling me I'm lying about my feelings?

Stephen Daidalus said:

Which part of my statement about my feelings did you disagree with, Two Bears?

The part where I said what was most likely to make me want to leave, or the part where I said I didn't like guns coming into Canada?

I mean, I don't mind you disagreeing when I make an assertion that can be disputed. But how can you disagree with something someone FEELS? Are you telling me I'm lying about my feelings?

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Don't get your jimmies russled, buddy. I just disagreed.

Two Bears said:

Don't get your jimmies russled, buddy. I just disagreed.

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I'm just curious about your thought processes, that's all, because I see this reflexive post rating all the time, and I wonder just what it is that goes through people's heads when they disagree with a statement of pure opinion that is not asserted as fact.

I'm actually against gun banning, but for some forms of gun control. I think background checks are necessary, and extended clips should be outlawed. The only thing I see extended clips being used for, by civilian use, is mass shootings. I have yet to hear a story about how having an extended clip in a pistol saved someone from being killed by multiple attackers. But in recent mass murders, they've been used almost every time.

I think some people are under the mistaken impression that if they are attacked by a large gang, they will walk in the front door one-at-a-time like zombies, so they can easily pop them all with headshots like some action movie star. lol

That being said, I don't think the government actually has the right to take everyone's hunting rifle or shotgun away.

It just amazes me that the one issue that gets them so worked up they would actually consider a revolution might be necessary, is the gun control issue.

Stephen Daidalus said:

I'm just curious about your thought processes, that's all, because I see this reflexive post rating all the time, and I wonder just what it is that goes through people's heads when they disagree with a statement of pure opinion that is not asserted as fact.

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Hey cool out, guy. We haven't even gotten into a real discussion and you're already worked up. Just chillax, we can all have our different views and still be cool.

Two Bears said:

Hey cool out, guy. We haven't even gotten into a real discussion and you're already worked up. Just chillax, we can all have our different views and still be cool.

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Once again, you seem to be projecting your own mental state onto me. Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I'm not chill. I can disagree perfectly calmly. Can't you?

Medea said:

I'm actually against gun banning, but for some forms of gun control. I think background checks are necessary, and extended clips should be outlawed. The only thing I see extended clips being used for, by civilian use, is mass shootings. I have yet to hear a story about how having an extended clip in a pistol saved someone from being killed by multiple attackers. But in recent mass murders, they've been used almost every time.

I think some people are under the mistaken impression that if they are attacked by a large gang, they will walk in the front door one-at-a-time like zombies, so they can easily pop them all with headshots like some action movie star. lol

That being said, I don't think the government actually has the right to take everyone's hunting rifle or shotgun away.

It just amazes me that the one issue that gets them so worked up they would actually consider a revolution might be necessary, is the gun control issue.

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I think it is silly to be worked up to the point that one is speaking about revolution or secession. Where I think you and I would disagree is in the creation of new laws. For me, we've got a ton of laws on the books. The process for me getting an AR-15 was counted in months, and the amount of background checks and red tape were staggering. Don't get me wrong, that is a good thing. However, I can go places and get my hands on exactly the same type of gun and walk out the same day. Those laws are not enforced, and I think we should work on enforcing those existing laws before crafting new ones.

What He Said.

We have alot of laws that aren't enforced. Many of these laws are what people thought were in the Gun Bill that didn't hold up. I honestly think there are Tons of stuff in that bill that we didn't hear about causing it to "NOT Pass" in a Democrat held Senate. Stuff that obviously made some Democrat's say "Umm .. Maybe that part isn't so good". I'd appreciate the media telling us what "Exactly" it was in this bill that made a not partisan "HELL NO" in the senate, but this is waaaaaay too much to ask (Although I don't watch FoxNews. Not sure if they eluded to what they might think or not. Stuff on NBC isn't on Fox and stuff talked about on FOX isn't on NBC.. it's just the way it is)

And make NO mistake... Many Members of the Democrat Tribe are Trying to Take Guns away from everyone in America.. It's just a Fact.

But to Revolt? ...*snort* ...I don't think so

that said, this isn't so Suprizing to hear is it? really? Of course people go out of there minds over political stuff and say this junk like this.

Some of them mean it and some of them don't..

..HELL I'm still waiting for Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger to leave from back in 2000.

I'm not sticking round here because at this rate it seems like it's going to get ugly fast.

A) The problem is not people who legally use guns. Sure, there's a small percentage of idiots who legally own guns, and those are the people we hear about on the TV. There are far more success than failure stories of people who lock their guns down and nothing bad happens. The people who bitch about their rights being infringed upon have a right to say what they want, but at the same time, focusing on those people is the wrong way to go about the situation.

There needs to be harsher penalties for possessing or selling an unregistered (illegal) firearm. Right now, tops, they're looking at a year in jail and probation. That's not enough.

B) Everyone has to be passionate about something. For me (a person who actively avoids political discussion) it's education. I have 20 minute rants about education. Some people like their guns as much as I like education. It's something we have to deal with as a collective and as a nation. We need to consider everyone's opinions and we need to get to the meat of the issue.
C) People talk big. I mean, there's little more to say here, but I honestly think that of the 44% of the people (Republicans mind you) who think that there is armed rebellion on the horizon, no more than half would ever actually follow through on this. There was another study done in which people had to either anonymously or publicly agree to something, and nearly two-thirds of people, when having to be publicly acknowledged with a movement, backed down from their previous opinion.

In addition any Republican who honestly thinks that an armed rebellion is going to ensure them their gun rights, probably is in the small percentage of people who shouldn't have a gun. I digress illogically.

Ultimately, and to return to the main topic, people have differing interests that are impossible to all address at once and because the government is guaranteed to fail at making everyone happy, you will always have at least a quarter of the population who is pissed at you. On the other hand, that leaves the majority to quash the dumba** minority.

I'm all for social change, but at the same time, those were minorities that grew to majorities because of their concern with personal issues. Sure, this does imply that there is potential for an armed uprising, but as you can imagine, it wouldn't be hard at all to put them all away for endangerment of the public.

Fun fact: There are consistently more suicides caused by guns than homicides every year.

(tl;dr) If you believe in our government, you will be fine. (Ha, ha, ha. We're all all screwed.)

Well, I personally think that if it wasn't for our elected government, the corporations would have free reign over the people to do what they wanted. CEO's aren't elected or regulated the way the government is. All this anti-government crap is just what they need, just what they created, to break the so-called chains of government limitation.

I'd much rather be led by a regulated government than the free market (AKA the slave market).

CaptainPollux said:

There needs to be harsher penalties for possessing or selling an unregistered (illegal) firearm. Right now, tops, they're looking at a year in jail and probation. That's not enough.

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Do you have evidence that stiffer penalties actually deter crimes rather than merely placate the public?

Tougher laws regarding firearms isn't going to keep murderers and criminals from obtaining them and using them. It's just going to make it harder for lae abiding citizens to defend themselves. Look at cities that allow little or no guns. Chicago and D.C. both forbid firearms, and they have close to, if not THE, highest crime rates in the U.S.A.

As for all that about hating the troops and weren't American if you supported Bush, why have I never heard any of this before? Just because you only look at and quote the bad guys doesn't make us all the bad guys. This was close enough to the Vietnam war when soldiers coming home had urine thrown on them for being baby killers, which is unacceptable imo.

President Obama took quite a few months to send a lack luster typed letter with a TYPED signature to the family of a soldier who died in service to our country. The Commander and Chief of our armed forces shouldn't be disrespecting his own team like that.

As for all this about Obama being pure evil and being slanderous doesn't describe our entire political party. I have tried to contain myself in this forum, but I simply cannot sit idle while you only look at the bad. I could just as easily do that with liberals, with democrats. But I don't.

As for a revolution? No. Just not going to happen. I've heard everything from people claiming Obama has bombs planted everywhere to him commanding soldiers to shoot at civilians. Learn to seperate fact from garbage spilled by a poor human being. And for goodness sakes kids, THE INTERNET LIES.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Gidian said:

Tougher laws regarding firearms isn't going to keep murderers and criminals from obtaining them and using them. It's just going to make it harder for lae abiding citizens to defend themselves. Look at cities that allow little or no guns. Chicago and D.C. both forbid firearms, and they have close to, if not THE, highest crime rates in the U.S.A.

As for all that about hating the troops and weren't American if you supported Bush, why have I never heard any of this before? Just because you only look at and quote the bad guys doesn't make us all the bad guys. This was close enough to the Vietnam war when soldiers coming home had urine thrown on them for being baby killers, which is unacceptable imo.

President Obama took quite a few months to send a lack luster typed letter with a TYPED signature to the family of a soldier who died in service to our country. The Commander and Chief of our armed forces shouldn't be disrespecting his own team like that.

As for all this about Obama being pure evil and being slanderous doesn't describe our entire political party. I have tried to contain myself in this forum, but I simply cannot sit idle while you only look at the bad. I could just as easily do that with liberals, with democrats. But I don't.

As for a revolution? No. Just not going to happen. I've heard everything from people claiming Obama has bombs planted everywhere to him commanding soldiers to shoot at civilians. Learn to seperate fact from garbage spilled by a poor human being. And for goodness sakes kids, THE INTERNET LIES.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

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Sorry, but if you never heard any of the BS about liberals being anti-american, you haven't been paying attention to what the conservative media has been saying for the past 10+ years Gidian. We are socialists, communists, terrorist sympathizers, etc.... anything but "democrats".

I'm not saying "all conservatives are bad". This is just one of those cases where they seem to be completely out of touch. This has been widely reported over the past few days. (that 44% of republicans believe an armed revolution MAY BE necessary in the short term) No one is saying that they actually would participate in said revolution if one happened. Just that they think it might be happening soon.

This kind of outrage never occurs when a republican is president.

Medea said:

Sorry, but if you never heard any of the BS about liberals being anti-american, you haven't been paying attention to what the conservative media has been saying for the past 10+ years Gidian. We are socialists, communists, terrorist sympathizers, etc.... anything but "democrats".

I'm not saying "all conservatives are bad". This is just one of those cases where they seem to be completely out of touch. This has been widely reported over the past few days. (that 44% of republicans believe an armed revolution MAY BE necessary in the short term) No one is saying that they actually would participate in said revolution if one happened. Just that they think it might be happening soon.

This kind of outrage never occurs when a republican is president.

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Oh really? There are so many flaws with that justification it isn't even funny. First of all, it is no where near as widespread nor on the scale as you make it out to be. Anyone who's opinions fall under such assumptions and narrow minded thinking should not be considered viable or quotable.

Not saying all conservatives are bad? Coulda fooled me. I have seen you in at least one other thread making such statements and quite possibly worse about conservatives. You continously try to undermine the republican party, seemingly choosing points that are one sided. Also, did you know that 97% of statistics are made up?

"This kind of outrage never occurs when a republican is president." That is untrue in so many ways. Democratic party candidates have generally played rougher, and been more agressive, than republicans.

Hello, everyone! Allow me to enter stage left with a 12 gauge and see who complains.......

In all seriousness and going back to the OP, it could be. While nothing that has been done YET is anything to revolt over, the key word is YET. Revolutionists, and serious ones, are actually working in america. They are the very, very, very small minority and would actually be arrested for conspiracy to commit treason or somethin like that if they were brought to light, but they are there. Most of the public isn't willing to revolt, and wouldn't given the chance. Should the government overstep(I believe they already have, but the public in general disagrees), then these revolutionaries would have the fuel they need to rally the minority of the public that would support them. While the rebellion at that point is still a minority, most of the public would do what they always do: nothing. They would let the revolution happen, and it's likely that in a modern day and age it would probably be put down and do more damage than help, but then again, it might succeed. Whether or not it's on the horizon is largely dependent on the government and the revolutionaries. If the government does their job, and the american situation improves, then no. If the government makes a power abusing pass at our major freedoms, you bet it will.

In the end it comes down to hot-headed americans, radical revolutionaries, greedy political puppets, and the shadows in the background with the master plan.