Brizzle Kicks
Welcome To The Underground
How it's pretty hard to prove some doesn't exist.
Is doubting God really that bad?
- Thread starter FullmetalHeart20
- Start date
How it's pretty hard to prove some doesn't exist.
FullmetalHeart20
Well-Known Member
Exactly. So let's reserve judgment.
Brizzle Kicks
Welcome To The Underground
I can't belive in something I don't prove to me there is a god and change my mind.
Captain Nagisus
Jake the Dog!
(( I see no evidence of a god. I still see no evidence of a lack of a god, although I'm an atheist. Before 10^-43 seconds into time, we know nothing about the universe. The best part?
We never will. It's impossible.
Before 10^-43sec, anything is possible. It could be a huge ball of energy, it could be God, it could be Vishnu, it could be the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I don't know what it is, and I couldn't care less. Why do we need to know? Knowing undoubtedly what created the universe will only anger whoever was wrong. If any alleged deity cares enough about me not caring to give me depression and send me to their respective religions negative afterlife, that deity is a dick. But then again, God spends an entire testament murdering people. ))
We never will. It's impossible.
Before 10^-43sec, anything is possible. It could be a huge ball of energy, it could be God, it could be Vishnu, it could be the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I don't know what it is, and I couldn't care less. Why do we need to know? Knowing undoubtedly what created the universe will only anger whoever was wrong. If any alleged deity cares enough about me not caring to give me depression and send me to their respective religions negative afterlife, that deity is a dick. But then again, God spends an entire testament murdering people. ))
Medea
The Shadow Queen
No. We shouldn't have to prove God doesn't exist. If people believe that a god exists, the burden of proof should be on them. The proof that He doesn't exist IS that there has been NO evidence whatsoever that he does. That being said, I really don't think it's a matter of proof. It's a matter of faith.
Despite my previous posts, I'm not an atheist. I'm agnostic. Sometimes, I actually do pray for things, but when I do, it's to "whomever it may concern", because I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian God. I don't believe in Allah. I don't believe in Buddha. I don't believe in Zeus. I don't believe in Osiris.
Christianity is no different than any other old world religion. It's just that in this one case, people said, "Well, this time it's actually true".
I refuse to believe that someone can be good their whole life, and then go to Hell when they die, simply because they did not accept "Jeeeesus" into their life. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, because there seems to be a difference between the biblical version of Jesus, and "Jeeeesus", the southern baptist interpretation.
But Christians actually believe that you can be a murderer, rapist, etc....whatever you want you're whole life, confess on your deathbed and accept Christ, then be saved. SERIOUSLY, does that make any sense at all?
As far as interpretation goes, I read the Bible when I was younger. I know for a fact that it is not intended to be open for interpretation, unless you're an unbeliever. It's God's way or the highway. You can't be a "kinda-sorta" Christian. You have to believe ALL of it.
Now tell me, do you believe in every word of the Bible? Because if you don't, you're not a true follower of the Christian faith.
Despite my previous posts, I'm not an atheist. I'm agnostic. Sometimes, I actually do pray for things, but when I do, it's to "whomever it may concern", because I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian God. I don't believe in Allah. I don't believe in Buddha. I don't believe in Zeus. I don't believe in Osiris.
Christianity is no different than any other old world religion. It's just that in this one case, people said, "Well, this time it's actually true".
I refuse to believe that someone can be good their whole life, and then go to Hell when they die, simply because they did not accept "Jeeeesus" into their life. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, because there seems to be a difference between the biblical version of Jesus, and "Jeeeesus", the southern baptist interpretation.
But Christians actually believe that you can be a murderer, rapist, etc....whatever you want you're whole life, confess on your deathbed and accept Christ, then be saved. SERIOUSLY, does that make any sense at all?
As far as interpretation goes, I read the Bible when I was younger. I know for a fact that it is not intended to be open for interpretation, unless you're an unbeliever. It's God's way or the highway. You can't be a "kinda-sorta" Christian. You have to believe ALL of it.
Now tell me, do you believe in every word of the Bible? Because if you don't, you're not a true follower of the Christian faith.
Captain Nagisus
Jake the Dog!
(( Quantum-philosophically, according to Schrödinger, every god exists and doesn't exist at the same time, because we can't observe them. *AGNOSTICISM!
* ))
kyleekay
Well-Known Member
^ This. If you don't believe in God, then don't ask for believers to "prove" God exists when you have no intention of actually following the faith. Asking someone to prove the existence of God in this context is actually like saying "Go ahead, try. You're going to look realllll silly."
The key part with this though, is that they have to repent fully and sincerely. It's not like they could be like "Uh, yeah, God? I'm sorry I guess. I'll believe Your son died for my sins now."
As a Christian I have no right to judge someone who repents fully, because the bible makes it clear that it's not my place. From a realistic standpoint does it bother me that I could eventually end up in heaven with people like that? Yup, sure does. But from a faith standpoint I have to understand it's necessary if I also want to benefit from God's grace.
I believe the bible is true. What I don't necessarily believe is true are all of the modern interpretations (if that makes sense).
FullmetalHeart20
Well-Known Member
And if you do, you've probably committed several felonies by modern law
. But seriously, about the whole burden of proof thing? Shouldn't it fall to all sides of an argument? We can't just say God doesn't exist because we don't think what's going on is Him at work. We need to back it up.
Medea
The Shadow Queen
And if you do, you've probably committed several felonies by modern law
But seriously, about the whole burden of proof thing? Shouldn't it fall to all sides of an argument? We can't just say God doesn't exist because we don't think what's going on is Him at work. We need to back it up.
What if I said "There is a tiny race of magma-dwarf people living in the center of the sun, and YOU have to prove they don't exist, because I say they do".
FullmetalHeart20
Well-Known Member
We have an understanding of the anatomy of a star. They are not hollow, and have a surface temperature of 5,778K. That's the proof. But we barely know the basics of the universe.
Really, I think proving God exists would be easier than proving that He doesn't. If there's something real to show for an argument, that's in one's favor. But how does one prove that something they can't find never existed in the first place. If one searches the universe for God's existence and comes up with nothing, does that mean there is no God or that one hasn't found Him yet?
Medea
The Shadow Queen
For people who believe in Him, God is in here *points to head*
I'm not saying "God doesn't exist". I'm saying that you can't argue that something exists without proof, simply because you believe it to be true. You can only believe in it (faith).
It's just like scientific theory. That's why String Theory and the Big Bang Theory are just that.... theories, until we can prove them without question. "God created the universe" cannot be proven until we prove His existence, and we have theories, that are not based on pure faith, that make much more sense than the Creationist Theory.
FullmetalHeart20
Well-Known Member
And what I'm saying is His lack of existence requires proof as well, although you seem to share that sentiment.
Gunnbjorn
Formerly known as Arillious
I am Catholic and go to a Catholic school, and there are a lot of things that we do as a community and as a school to better our spirituality and to get closer with God, I'm a Junior and there are many people in my class who have truly been changed by attending such a great school, but I can honestly say that I have had no difference since enrolling here and wouldn't describe myself as having any sort of Spirituality in which I feel a closeness to God as much as others in my school do.
To be honest, I find myself getting pulled further and further away as far as believing that there is a God. I want to believe, I want to know that when we die we go somewhere that is described so greatly as heaven, but I'm very afraid when that time comes, there isn't going to be any of that. Could you imagine a world of people who believed in all of these things and it turns out none of them were true? What a let down.
That is why I'm so skeptical. It's why I've started to no longer put my eggs in one basket, religion is solely based on having faith, believing in something you can't prove is true. It's human nature to doubt something you can't physically see to determine it's in fact true, so don't stress about being an immoral person because you don't believe what everyone else does, there are far more graver sins that God would still forgive you about either way. A favorite quote of mine is, "Don't judge somebody just because they sin differently than you do."
And either way, you're obviously getting this feeling of guilt because you've been raised to believe in these things your whole life. People have an expectation of you and you're choosing to do your own thing. That's completely fine.
If you were against slavery, you would have the same feeling of guilt 300 years ago when everybody else believed it was okay. Because it was the norm.
Also keep in mind that the early Christians were considered Atheists by the Roman Empire because they did not believe in Polytheism.
My point with these two little statements/facts is that if your beliefs end up being outside of the common belief, people will judge you for it. I think that most of the people who do the judging are the sheeps who move to one thing because that's the most popular belief. I think a true Catholic wouldn't ever say you're a sinner or a liar for believing in what you believe, because I'm sure if they're serious about their religion then they would know as a loving Catholic that you should respect and continue to love all people regardless.
thatwudbryan
yet another skyrim enthusiast
SukieK
Member
i myself am not a fan of organized religion. It causes too much conflict in our world. I mean, think about this, besides money & politics, what is a MAJOR cause of wars breaking out? Mass murders? Mass Suicides? And fl*ff knows what else??? RELIGION!
I grew up in a Pagan household, and to this day i am Pagan. But it is NOT a religion like some believe, it is a lifestyle. However, there are many religions that form part of the Pagan circle. I am what you would call a Solitary i suppose! I have my own set of beliefs on the hows and whys of the universe, and i keep them to myself. I do not judge, i have a good, kind and caring existence, and i believe strongly in "Do what ye will but harm none...Not even thyself..."
I grew up in a Pagan household, and to this day i am Pagan. But it is NOT a religion like some believe, it is a lifestyle. However, there are many religions that form part of the Pagan circle. I am what you would call a Solitary i suppose! I have my own set of beliefs on the hows and whys of the universe, and i keep them to myself. I do not judge, i have a good, kind and caring existence, and i believe strongly in "Do what ye will but harm none...Not even thyself..."
KaitoGhost
Sea Sponge First Mate
Pagan, myself. Was raised Lutheran, used to believe. Then I grew up, and started to take a look around the world, ask questions. Now I no longer believe.
Freedom of worship. We all have the right to believe what we want. It's when you start killing people for believing differently that we have a problem.
Freedom of worship. We all have the right to believe what we want. It's when you start killing people for believing differently that we have a problem.
sticky runes
Well-Known Member
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
ZombieTrash143
Hellish rock-and-roll Freak
Me, personally, I don't believe in him.
There are just so many flaws in their beliefs. Now I'm not by any means someone who will hate on anyone who believes in him, but me, I don't believe. If that makes me go to "hell" then that's fine by me.
As long as it's like it is in South Park
