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DrunkenMage

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Grimjulf Winter-Heart said:
I thought the safety of the Argonians had more to do with their relations with the Dunmer than with the Nords.

Free-Winter is also a Nord, of course. As am I. And I am not stubborn. At. All.
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Description of a Nord "The citizens of Skyrim are aggressive and fearless in war, industrious and enterprising in trade and exploration. Strong, stubborn, and hardy, Nords are famous for their resistance to cold, even magical frost. Violence is an accepted and comfortable aspect of Nord culture; Nords of all classes are skilled with a variety of weapon and armor styles, and they cheerfully face battle with an ecstatic ferocity that shocks and appalls their enemies." That was the in-game description for Morrowind.

It changed over the next two games to become smaller.

Oblivion
Citizens of Skyrim, they are a tall and fair-haired people. Strong and hardy, Nords are famous for their resistance to cold. They are highly talented warriors.

Skyrim
Citizens of Skyrim, they are a tall and fair-haired people. Strong and hardy, Nords are famous for their resistance to cold and their talent as warriors. They can use a Battlecry to make opponents flee.
 
DrunkenMage

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Grimjulf Winter-Heart said:
I like the first one better, naturally. Particularly the bit about cheerfully facing battle with an ecstatic ferocity. I would say, though, that it is often more shocking to our friends than our enemies. ;)
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Yeah it seemed more fitting for them, The Nords are the children of the sky, a race of tall and fair-haired humans from Skyrim who are known for their incredible resistance to cold and magical frost. They are enthusiastic warriors, and many become renowned soldiers and mercenaries all over Tamriel. Eager to augment their martial skills beyond the traditional methods of Skyrim, they excel in all manner of warfare, and are known as a militant people by their neighbors. Nords are also natural seamen, and have benefited from nautical trade since their first migrations from Atmora. They captain and crew many merchant fleets, and may be found all along the coasts of Tamriel.
 
DrunkenMage

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Grimjulf Winter-Heart said:
I meant a Nord navy, not an Imperial one, though there's no reason an Imperial Navy couldn't be captained by Nords (as it should be!). But I'm surprised Skyrim does not seem to have her own naval defense. Perhaps no one expects any vessels of size to navigate such troublesome waters.
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I'm sure there would be many Nords in an Imperial navy, probably more than any of the other races.

We come from the land of the ice and snow
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow
The hammer of the gods
Will drive our ships to new lands
To fight the horde, singing and crying
Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar
Our only goal will be the western shore
Ah, ah
We come from
the land of the ice and snow
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow
How soft your fields so green
Can whisper tales of gore
 
The Laoch

The Laoch

He is the Prince of Order. Or was it biscuits?
Jimbul2 said:
I wish the Imperials would execute Ulfric, gain the support of the other races, and have an epic war with the Thalmor from the frontline of Valenwood (The Elder Scrolls Six, Dominion).
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I feel they will canon a stormcloak victory, in elder scrolls 6 I believe the empire will also lose high rock , and you will be in the khajit homeland. The main story will involve going to each race embassy and gaining their trust to get their armies. Then you attack the thalmor. Oblivion spoiler* it could be like the battle for bruma and getting counts supports and getting guards. *end spoiler.
 
tobias_b

tobias_b

Member
I do feel that stormcloaks were made to seem less favorable, does anyone agree? They just seem like judgmental, aggressive know-it-alls lol
 
The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
Staff member
Dagmar said:
No, in the Stormcloak version of the Battle for Whiterun, Ulfric forces Balgruuf to choose a side because he knows if he insists on it Balgruuf will accept the aid of the Empire. The game makes it emphatically clear that he's already mobilized a Stormcloak attack force before he even makes the overture. Balgruuf is informed of this by Rikke and Imperial intelligence reports that she provides him so it's a calculated move on Ulfric's part to manipulate the situation so he can use Whiterun as a display of the strength of his Stormcloak army now that it's been reinforced by other Holds. He already informs players of this indirectly in his default starting dialogue with Galmar in the Palace of Kings. It's simply illustrative of his consistent viewpoint that using people as a means to his ends is completely acceptable regardless of the cost.

The Imperial Legion version of the quest is even worse because it's Balgruuf that sends him the axe to see if his intentions towards Whiterun are friendly or hostile irregardless of whether Whiterun remains neutral or not. He's basically calling Ulfric out on his mobilization of the Stormcloaks against Whiterun and Ulfric confirms his intentions by rejecting the axe. For all practical purposes Whiterun was neutral before Ulfric decided to attack it. It reflects his undeniable characteristic of seeing anyone that isn't actively supporting him as an enemy.
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Because he knows Balgruuf will side with the Empire or at least be more sympathetic to it either way. Whiterun is a win win for Ulfric. He gets to make his point, and capture the center of trade for the Stormcloaks. He knows that, if left unattended, Whiterun could very well be his downfall in one of two ways. Whiterun supports the Empire and the Empire suddenly controls the center of trade with a well fortified position. Or his neatrality denies Ulfric that valueable income and resources that could mean the difference between victory or defeat. Best moral values aside, it is a tactical move(or is it strategic?).
 
feliciano182

feliciano182

Well-Known Member
Gidian said:
Because he knows Balgruuf will side with the Empire or at least be more sympathetic to it either way. Whiterun is a win win for Ulfric. He gets to make his point, and capture the center of trade for the Stormcloaks. He knows that, if left unattended, Whiterun could very well be his downfall in one of two ways. Whiterun supports the Empire and the Empire suddenly controls the center of trade with a well fortified position. Or his neatrality denies Ulfric that valueable income and resources that could mean the difference between victory or defeat. Best moral values aside, it is a tactical move(or is it strategic?).
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Whiterun isn't a "win win" for Ulfric, he could very well bypass it and focus his efforts in taking the other imperial holds, specially given how The Empire is not as overzealous to have Whiterun on their side as much as Ulfric is, the latter simply won't tolerate dissenters, he wants to be High King at any cost and he will be damn sure that not a single Jarl opposes him, that is really the only reason why Ulfric wants to invade Whiterun and remove Balgruuf as Jarl.

Aside from that, anyone has the right to claim neutrality, which is exactly what Balgruuf did throughout the Civil War, unlike Ulfric, he was actually more interested in doing his job as ruler of a hold and provide and care for his citizens' well-being.

In other words:

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This dude for High King of Skyrim !
 
DrunkenMage

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Gidian said:
Because he knows Balgruuf will side with the Empire or at least be more sympathetic to it either way. Whiterun is a win win for Ulfric. He gets to make his point, and capture the center of trade for the Stormcloaks. He knows that, if left unattended, Whiterun could very well be his downfall in one of two ways. Whiterun supports the Empire and the Empire suddenly controls the center of trade with a well fortified position. Or his neatrality denies Ulfric that valueable income and resources that could mean the difference between victory or defeat. Best moral values aside, it is a tactical move(or is it strategic?).
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He only sided with the Empire when facing a Stormcloak army, which was preparing to attack Whiterun long before the battle. Whiterun doesn't support the Empire as of yet, it is very much neutral, not supporting Ulfric but also having a preacher screaming about Talos everyday.

Rikke: "I'm telling you, Ulfric's planning an attack on Whiterun."
Tullius: "He'd be insane to try. He doesn't have the men."
Rikke: "That's not what my scouts report, sir. Every day more join his cause. Riften, Dawnstar, and Winterhold support him."
Tullius: "It's not a cause. It's a rebellion."
Rikke: "Call it whatever you like, General. The man's going to try to take Whiterun."
Tullius: "Jarl Balgruuf..."
Rikke: "Balgruuf refuses the Legion's right to garrison troops in his city. On the other hand, he also refuses to acknowledge Ulfric's claim."
Tullius: "Well, if he wants to stand outside the protection of the Empire, fine. Let Ulfric pillage his city."

Galmar: "If he's not with us, he's against us."
Ulfric: "He knows that. They all know that."
Galmar: "How long are you going to wait?"
Ulfric: "You think I need to send Balgruuf a stronger message."
Galmar: "If by message you mean shoving a sword through his gullet."
Ulfric: "Taking his city and leaving him in disgrace would make a more powerful statement, don't you think?"

This is the conversations while Whiterun is still neutral and the player hasn't joined any side of the Civil war. Ulfric plans to take his city either way.
 
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