The "I hate Stupid Republicans" Thread

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Captain Nagisus

Jake the Dog!
Screw the right. I'm so far left that this eagle is struggling to balance me.

I said it once and I'll say it again: COMMUNISM. It works, as long as you don't introduce totalitarianism!
 

Captain Nagisus

Jake the Dog!
Explain how this "Communism without totalitarianism" is possible.

Communist ideals can be perfect if you ignore the "dictatorship" in "democratic dictatorship of the proletariat" and focus on the "democratic." You do know what Marxism and totalitarianism are, right, and you're not going off the typical "COMMIE FASCIST DICTATORS BLAH BLAH" mindset?
 

Gehenna

Dazed & Confused
Do you guys honestly believe the politicians (dems/reps both) are sitting there and posting those things themselves? If they even understand how it works, chances are they have a staffer keeping the page up for them.

Now, I'll go back to Hugh Jackman's page on Google+ and tell him how glad I am that a Hollywood hunk like him is so accessible to all his fangirls.
 

Captain Nagisus

Jake the Dog!
Yes, but if you'd be so kind as to state Marxism's principals, for clarity's sake, that would be nice.
  • An entirely classless society
  • An entirely stateless society
  • An entirely moneyless society
  • Universal ownership - nobody truly owns anything
Those are the ones I can think of right now. But that stuff is in an ideal world. We'd need to change human nature to stop greed.
HENCE THE DEATH RAY I JUST BUILT!
 

The OP3RaT0R

Call me Op. Or Smooth.
An entirely classless society, implying that capitalism is a class-based society? See these quotes from Ayn Rand about proper Capitalism :

"There have never been any “masses” in America: the poorest American is an individual and, subconsciously, an individualist. Marxism, which has conquered our universities, is a dismal failure as far as the people are concerned: Americans cannot be sold on any sort of class war; American workers do not see themselves as a “proletariat,” but are among the proudest of property owners. "

"No self-respecting man in America is or thinks of himself as “little,” no matter how poor he may be. That, precisely, is the difference between an American working man and a European serf."

Now I admit, a lot of the "prole" mindset has seeped into America lately, but these quotes do hold with the founding principles of America.

A stateless society, which means two things; either a lynch mob is free to murder an innocent man, or a murderer is allowed to roam free (unless the lynch mob murders him, too, rather than giving him a trial in a court of law.

An entirely moneyless society is a mockery of fairness and justice. Another quote from Rand:

"So you think that money is the root of all evil? . . . Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?
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But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made—before it can be looted or mooched—made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can’t consume more than he has produced."

And universal ownership.

"If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor." Is this not what Communism is?
 

Captain Nagisus

Jake the Dog!
An entirely classless society, implying that capitalism is a class-based society? See these quotes from Ayn Rand about proper Capitalism :

"There have never been any “masses” in America: the poorest American is an individual and, subconsciously, an individualist. Marxism, which has conquered our universities, is a dismal failure as far as the people are concerned: Americans cannot be sold on any sort of class war; American workers do not see themselves as a “proletariat,” but are among the proudest of property owners. "

"No self-respecting man in America is or thinks of himself as “little,” no matter how poor he may be. That, precisely, is the difference between an American working man and a European serf."

Now I admit, a lot of the "prole" mindset has seeped into America lately, but these quotes do hold with the founding principles of America.

A stateless society, which means two things; either a lynch mob is free to murder an innocent man, or a murderer is allowed to roam free (unless the lynch mob murders him, too, rather than giving him a trial in a court of law.

An entirely moneyless society is a mockery of fairness and justice. Another quote from Rand:

"So you think that money is the root of all evil? . . . Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?
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But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made—before it can be looted or mooched—made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can’t consume more than he has produced."

And universal ownership.

"If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor." Is this not what Communism is?

I think you might have missed this: "We'd need to change human nature to stop greed."

Capitalism IS based off three classes, Working, Middle and Upper. Don't like it? Too bad, it's basically the definition.

In the ideal world where Communism would be a great success, people wouldn't feel any need to do any of these things. Every human being would work and cooperate, and in turn, every human being gets what they need - home, food, water, furnishings, appliances, etc. So in a bizarre ouroboros-like way, everyone would rely on everyone else. Murder the man who bottles your vodka and you'll be stuck drinking water.

A world without money is the opposite of a mockery of fairness. Money is the primary reason there are plenty of people without homes, malnourished. They can't afford a house. In an ideal Marxist society, that man would have a house, as would everyone in the country. The word "afford" would become useless.

And your concept of universal ownership is literally the polar opposite of communism. You're describing capitalism to me. In Communism, everyone has all the same things and is treated equally. It's in a capitalist world many slave away for little pay and spend it on booze, while others sip wine in their mansions. Yes, it is not what communism is.

You made a nice effort but missed the point entirely. (F-) SEE ME.

BACK ON SUBJECT, boo republicans!
 

The OP3RaT0R

Call me Op. Or Smooth.

Based on your use of this one word, it's obvious that you subscribe to the Altruist morality that men are entitled to the fruits of other men's labor, and not their own. You claim that a hungry poor man robbing a wealthy man is justifiable, but the wealthy man is not justified if he wishes to work for his own gain.

Capitalism IS based off three classes, Working, Middle and Upper. Don't like it? Too bad, it's basically the definition.

"No self-respecting man in America is or thinks of himself as “little,” no matter how poor he may be. That, precisely, is the difference between an American working man and a European serf."

The "classes" are mobile. A European serf is a member of a feudalistic serf class, but an American workingman is free to turn himself into an industrialist (if the law allows it).

So in a bizarre ouroboros-like way, everyone would rely on everyone else. Murder the man who bottles your vodka and you'll be stuck drinking water.

"Collectivism holds that the individual has no rights, that his life and work belong to the group . . . "

A world without money is the opposite of a mockery of fairness. Money is the primary reason there are plenty of people without homes, malnourished. They can't afford a house. In an ideal Marxist society, that man would have a house, as would everyone in the country. The word "afford" would become useless.

"The moral justification of capitalism does not lie in the altruist claim that it represents the best way to achieve “the common good.” It is true that capitalism does—if that catch-phrase has any meaning—but this is merely a secondary consequence. The moral justification of capitalism lies in the fact that it is the only system consonant with man’s rational nature, that it protects man’s survival qua man, and that its ruling principle is: justice."

Your Altruist idea is that "fairness" is where everyone gets their little bit and they're all happy. When I say fairness, I mean a man is entitled to the fruits of his labor.

In Communism, everyone has all the same things and is treated equally. It's in a capitalist world many slave away for little pay and spend it on booze, while others sip wine in their mansions. Yes, it is not what communism is.

It's a capitalist world in the early 20th century where a man "slaves away for little pay" and then blows his money on booze - not to mention that the man's wages will likely go up soon due to the rapid economic growth, and he is blowing his money on booze by choice.

BACK ON SUBJECT, boo republicans!

We can agree on one thing, at least, though our reasons - another discussion for another day.

Agree to disagree, hmm?
 

Captain Nagisus

Jake the Dog!
(I decided actually explaining how wrong you are (WHICH IS SO PAINFULLY MUCH) would take too long, so have a disagree rating. I don't appreciate your use of the word serf though, it's more racist than you might realise).

Sad to see we have a Conservative PM over in Britain :c
 

The OP3RaT0R

Call me Op. Or Smooth.
Ah yes, the condescending tone, never seen that one before. And no, I'm not wrong. But because neither of us care to debate anymore, let's not have a back and forth of "No you're wrong!" "Nu uh!"

Aha! I can rate your post 'disagree' too! :p
 

Captain Nagisus

Jake the Dog!
SO STARTED THE 1,366,684,478,214,577,325,979,073,064,001th WAR OF DISAGREE RATINGS! (Just kidding.)

I kinda wonder how Nick Clegg feels. I bet at the start he was all "Oh boy, a coalition! Me and Mr Cameron can share the position fairly between us!" And now...
 

Omega Dragon

Active Member
Ayn Rand was a dumbass. She didn't support Capitalism, but like her brainwashed Objectivists whom voted for Romney she clearly supported corporatism & fascism. She worshiped the state and despised free market anarchism, and those that follow in her ways continue to do so today.

Republicans & Democrats are both retarded, however.
 

Medea

The Shadow Queen
I don't believe it. Not now. Not.EVER!

You do not resemble anything of the sort, and I know cause I know you better.

...damn it, you're making me cry. How can you hate yourself so!? ;-;

Take it easy. Sheesh! I thought us liberals were supposed to be the touchy-feely emotional ones. I was only kidding. :p
 

Ilrita

The Imperial Storm
I agree NDirish1017. Very good post.

I wonder what would happen if a "The "I hate stupid Democrats" thread was created. Attacks? Insults? Or perhaps it just wouldn't be allowed to be made.

People need to stop dividing themselves and thinking they are better than others, too.

I think the problem with the U.S. right now is that we have one very effective, competent party whose policies are inherently evil (the Republican party), and one very ineffective, incompetent party who fights mostly for good causes (the Democratic party).

And before a bunch of religious right-wingers jump down my throat and scream "ABORTION IS EVIL!!!!", how about letting poor people die because they don't have enough money to get affordable healthcare? Tell me what Jesus would do about that. I guess we don't need stories like the Good Samaritan anymore, huh? But any time gays want equal rights, you guys sure don't mind taking that book and beating it over people's heads do you?

I think the problem with the U.S is people with this sort of mind set. People who insult, belittle, attack, and generalize are worse than people who think "ABORTION IS EVIL!!!!!". Which, in fact, had you the knowledge of you would probably side with them. Again. IF you had the knowledge behind abortion and the months/term in which it is performed (pssssk, around 4-6 months *look into partial-birth abortion* to a 45 million abortions a year worldwide) of course.

I'm going to assume you are a Democrat because of your posts concerning the two major parties. This isn't how your group is supposed to act. Remember, it is the Republicans that are evil.

I also find it quite hilarious you find it fit to call the Democratic party "the good cause" pursuers. I wasn't aware it was (mostly) the Republicans that signed off on drone striking innocent people just to kill, maybe, one terrorist to every 50 innocents.

Oh, and churches are responsible for a great majority of charity given to poor people, in fact, a great majority of charity given comes from religious people. In fact, a great majority of charities are pungent in Republican dominated states AND from poor Republican people, and that is just in America alone. Unless of course you wish to argue that the 217.79 billion dollars given to charity foundations in 2010/2011 by both individuals and families solely came from non-Republicans, then that would quite ridiculous. Look into CCUSA (which still arguable has ill decisions on its part) and the work Christian and Catholics do outside of our country to aid those in the Middle East. Also read philanthropy's site on the statistics done on who would give more charity away or any other study really; Republicans or Democrats?

Guess who "won" that. Republicans give more to charity (second to be religious Liberals). This is a known fact. Studies prove it. Look into it. Or at least request all parties to give into charity, don't just attack Republicans.

I would have agreed, somewhat, with you had you questioned why churches/mosques/temples/etc etc received or at least why the "majority" of them received charity funds when there are better causes out there. But you didn't. Instead you wished to go on bashing a political group based on a very insulting generalization and incorrect knowledge on the subject.

What do you care about poor people dying? Obama and his Administration, "the good cause pursuers" are droning innocents left and right who are also poor and you quickly passed it off in the other thread saying "it wasn't Obama's fault" *paraphrasing*. Americans aren't even safe from that slaughter.

The problem with America today is that people divide themselves between groups and have stopped caring for the people. Now they spend most of their time attacking each other while Americans suffer.

Point? Democrats and Republicans (and the other parties, of course) are BOTH problems and if you looked into the "whys" you would understand "why" it is so. Each party does wrong, it isn't just the Republicans. And this why I am going to respectfully disagree with your post not only by the hateful way you worded it, but the inaccuracy of its claims.

As George Washington said (letter to Timothy Pickering, Jul. 27, 1795),

Much indeed to be regretted, party disputes are now carried to such a length, and truth is so enveloped in mist and false representation, that it is extremely difficult to know through what channel to seek it. This difficulty to one, who is of no party, and whose sole wish is to pursue with undeviating steps a path which would lead this country to respectability, wealth, and happiness, is exceedingly to be lamented. But such, for wise purposes, it is presumed, is the turbulence of human passions in party disputes, when victory more than truth is the palm contended for.

John Adams (Letter to Jonathan Jackson (2 October 1780), "The Works of John Adams", vol 9, p.511.),

John Adams said:
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.

And as a Democrat put it;
James Fenimore Cooper said:
Party leads to vicious, corrupt and unprofitable legislation, for the sole purpose of defeating party.

Have a good day or night,
 

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