How bad do you hate the Thalmor

DrunkenMage said:

Was more because they couldn't attack, they could only defend Cyrodiil. Aldmeri Dominion still controlled Valenwood and Elsweyr and southern hammerfell, would have to occupy them and send forces to Hammerfell to help there. Empire couldn't go anywhere. War would of lasted at least another 20 odd years. Just defending two provinces lasted nearly 5 years, another 5 for the Redguards. Empire had lost too many legionnaires for that kind of invasion.

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Dominion did well during the opening fight, their army was ready and mobilized in Valenwood and Elsweyr. Imperial army was spread out across Cryodiil, Skyrim, Hammerfell, High Rock. They don't have phones, communication is done by courier, so when the dominion hit, The legion had to mobilize their army. Would of taken awhile. Legion was caught very off guard by the sudden surprise attacks.

Third year into the war was when Dominion hit harder resistance.

"Within days, Aldmeri armies invaded Hammerfell and Cyrodiil simultaneously. A strong force commanded by the Thalmor general Lord Naarifin attacked Cyrodiil from the south, marching out of hidden camps in northern Elsweyr and flanking the Imperial defenses along the Valenwood border. Leyawiin soon fell to the invaders, while Bravil was cut off and besieged.
At the same time, an Aldmeri army under Lady Arannelya crossed into western Cyrodiil from Valenwood, bypassing Anvil and Kvatch and crossing into Hammerfell. Smaller Aldmeri forces landed along the southern coastline of Hammerfell. The disunited Redguard forces offered only scattered resistance to the invaders, and much of the southern coastline was quickly overrun. The greatly outnumbered Imperial legions retreated across the Alik'r Desert in the now-famous March of Thirst."

"During 4E 172, the Aldmeri advanced deeper into Cyrodiil. Bravil and Anvil both fell to the invaders. By the end of the year, Lord Naarifin had advanced to the very walls of the Imperial City. There were fierce naval clashes in Lake Rumare and along the Niben as the Imperial forces attempted to hold the eastern bank."

War started in 4E 171 So you can see how good their attack was, taking the Legion completely off guard as they tried to gather their forces for a defense. Cyrodiil was hit very hard.

They did well, no doubting that, flanking the Legions on the border hitting them from the side and behind.

wrighty said:

You can all see from the map that the Aldmeri Dominion is in a good postion with Alinor probably the most easily defended position with Valenwood and Elseweyr only bordering the imperials which are hostile. Other than that just a small area of blackmarsh borders Elseweyr and they are not currently involved in the conflict.
Coastal attacks are easily led from Alinor and Hammerfell is ready to fall to the Dominion after being war ravaged considerably, a second attack by the Elves would be the end.
In Comparison the empire is spread thin trying to maintain its borders and fighting the stormcloaks, the legion is already massively weakened after the 1st invasion of the dominion. If you believe this to be false then you'll see that the White-Gold Concordant is very similar to the Ultimatum which would have prevented the invasion, they simply signed it realising that a second wave of elves would be the end.
Also take into account that the legion uses battle hardened warriors, whilst only the lower class of Altmer is used currently for fighting, should the more powerful mages get involved out of necessity then the imperials would be destroyed.

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Why do Thalmor supporters always say that they are so strong, I mean the war btw if the Dominion were strong and up there own arses like they usually are they would not sign a treaty they would have said fu.ck u to the empire, we are taking Tamriel, if they could have really defeated the empire they would have, but they didn't, there is no superiority in signing treaties, superiority comes from dominance from doing what u want and taking what u want, and being stronger than the rest, the scumbag Dominion wanted a treaty for years, look at the map again, Hammerfell will side with the empire and I do beleive the Argonians would fight alongside the empire, its better to fight alongside the devil u know than the one u dont, the Argonians were joined with the empire for a long time, oh and what makes u 100% certain that the Khajiit will fight alongside u, do u think because the Thalmor deceivd the Khajiit with the moon fiasco that they will fight against an Empire, oh so that leaves ure last friend the Bosmer, I tell u what I would put any race up against those midgets they would get punished in a war, especially on a battlefeild they savage canniballs would be to busy eating corpses.

My lore with the Khajjit could be wrong but have they really said they would fight for u.

Perhaps the Thalmor wish to play with their food before they eat it? No fun in just destroying you immediately.
The White-Gold Concordat is entirely in the favour of the Elves because they were the superior faction. Either way currently the Dominion is in a far more favourable position than the Empire, which is stretched thin.

And I always hear this load of crap that the Altmer are superior mages and no mage/wizard could touch them, by going with the game mechanics the only thing they have is 50 extra magika, yes they have an advantage, but 50 magika is enuff for a average spell, its not going to destroy an entire battalion of legionairs, and remember its easy to miss with spells in combat, just like arrows spells move and so do people who have engaged in battle with u, but with a sword/axe/hammer/mace/dagger the chances to miss a target is much lower, I think a weapon weilding warrior would best a Thalmor mage, magik runs out, swinging a weapon does not.

This is how I have always seen things.

wrighty said:

Perhaps the Thalmor wish to play with their food before they eat it? No fun in just destroying you immediately.
The White-Gold Concordat is entirely in the favour of the Elves because they were the superior faction. Either way currently the Dominion is in a far more favourable position than the Empire, which is stretched thin.

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Yes it was in there favor, but I wouldnt call them the superior faction here. I will ask u this if u were in a war and u were the superior faction would u sign a treaty or would u say no ure land is ours, no treaty, if u were superior of course u wouldnt sign a damb treaty just doesn't work out now does it. to use the word superior is to say that one side was much stronger than the other, the sly dominion were weak (at the end of the war) just like the Empire, next time use wont take the Empire by suprise.

Pretty much all wars end with the signing of a treaty. Signing a treaty does not indicate a failure to end the war in the superior position. Signing a treaty almost identical to the one you refused several years earlier, however, does, to me, suggest a much weaker position.

The victor dictates the terms. At the end of the Great War, the Empire was certainly not dictating anything to anyone. However, the Dominion was. That the terms were not substantially harsher than those previously offered does tell me that the Dominion was in no position to invade and occupy the Cyrodiil. But failing to do that doesn't mean they didn't win.

Yes the Dominion really did come out on top, but the Thalmor supporters think they done the Empire a favor and that the Dominion did not benefit from it, and at the end of the war u cant call the Dominion superior (just the way I see it and my oppinion) I havn't checked the dictionary but im sure Superiority means you are the fookin daddy and no one can touch you, and that u are in a far stronger position than ure enemy's, but they were not superior because if they were like I have stated in other posts they wouldn't have made a treaty, and they would have taken Tamriel.

Btw im open to debate i could be wrong.

I have never felt that to be superior you had to be overwhelmingly better. Just a bit better. The superior team may only win by 1 goal, for instance. It doesn't need to win by 10. That's just my understanding of the word, however.

Checking out the dictionary...

I think we can all agree that the Thalmor, at least, fit definition number 5.

Superior

1. Higher than another in rank, station, or authority: a superior officer.
2. Of a higher nature or kind.
3. Of great value or excellence; extraordinary.
4. Greater in number or amount than another: an army defeated by superior numbers of enemy troops.
5. Affecting an attitude of disdain or conceit; haughty and supercilious.
6. Above being affected or influenced; indifferent or immune: "Trust magnates were superior to law" (Gustavus Myers).
7. Located higher than another; upper.

Moris said:

I have never felt that to be superior you had to be overwhelmingly better. Just a bit better. The superior team may only win by 1 goal, for instance. It doesn't need to win by 10. That's just my understanding of the word, however.

Checking out the dictionary...

I think we can all agree that the Thalmor, at least, fit definition number 5.

Superior

1. Higher than another in rank, station, or authority: a superior officer.
2. Of a higher nature or kind.
3. Of great value or excellence; extraordinary.
4. Greater in number or amount than another: an army defeated by superior numbers of enemy troops.
5. Affecting an attitude of disdain or conceit; haughty and supercilious.
6. Above being affected or influenced; indifferent or immune: "Trust magnates were superior to law" (Gustavus Myers).
7. Located higher than another; upper.

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Ah I see what u mean, but I meant that the Thalmor supporters on this site think the Thalmor are ten times better/stonger or they at least come across that way at times lol.

Yea ure understanding of it is more right than mine, I think I got carried away with the Thalmor arrogance lol

Shadow King said:

Ah I see what u mean, but I meant that the Thalmor supporters on this site think the Thalmor are ten times better/stonger or they at least come across that way at times lol.

Yea ure understanding of it is more right than mine, I think I got carried away with the Thalmor arrogance lol

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Oh, I'm pretty sure that they do exaggerate their strength considerably. Even the Thalmor are not above blustery boasts.

DrunkenMage said:

Always good to be able to get a better perspective of current status of land ownership.

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The stormcloaks will be soon gone!

I don't hate them... I just greatly dislike them. Guess it kinda goes back to my real-world intolerance of people telling other people who they can and can't worship. Now, if there reasoning was around, "We are tired of you silly humans causing problems in the world, and never getting your s*** together. So we are going to conquer you, establish a one world government, therefore creating world peace," I would be more inclined to agree with them (Plus I'm a Dunmer. I don't fall under the 'silly human' category). But their argument is, "We are better than you, so we are going to conquer you." Or at least that is what is presented in the game. Not sure if they have any other reasons.

DrunkenMage said:

Always good to be able to get a better perspective of current status of land ownership.

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SkyrimBasher! said:

The stormcloaks will be soon gone!

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The empire will be gone soon.

Shadow King said:

...I do beleive the Argonians would fight alongside the empire, its better to fight alongside the devil u know than the one u dont, the Argonians were joined with the empire for a long time

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The An Xileel are no friend to the Empire. They fought against the Empire for independence and have nothing but contempt for it. There's no compelling reason to think they would lift a finger to aid the Empire as they did nothing to warn the Empire about Umbriel, were involved in its summoning to Nirn, and may have been colluding with Lord Umbriel to bring about the downfall of the Empire.

Man you folk know your lore thats for sure, very impressing.

Dagmar said:

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Can I be Emperor? what gods would u have? fancy going one step further than Tiber Septim did and conquer all of Nirn? lol

Dude their sense of superiority authority and status is annoying, they might have won against a war but iv killed Alduin who is a force of nature; the first son of Akatosh

• killed 500 bears and t bagged them
• killed 500 dragons ripped their skeletons out and t bagged them
• i killed a horde of druagrs and t bagged them
• Ripped more then 20 Deadra heart out and t bagged them
• Made promises to deadric princes that im not going to keep then going to t bagged them
• Killed more then 100 bandits and t bagged them
• killed a horde of vampires and t bagged
• killed so many dragon priests and t bagged them
• killed so many Thalmor who think is better then me and t bagged them, Arcanno is a perfect example everytime i walk past him in a new save i whisper to him... FUS RO DAH
• I killed Mercer frey who i diddnt even need the nightingale powers Karhlai made a bitch move) i just wanted the armor for bloody sake
• I destroyed the dark brotherhood
• Prayed so many times to a talos statue that is not even a blessing
• my knees are unbreakble, and my advice is bitch please just get better knee armour
• Mages are so annoying its not good to joke about but i t bag them
• Sabre tooth cats think there bloody harder then me
• Dosent matter how many dragons, deadra, druagrs or bandits you kill just leave the Giants*** mammoths alone but i kill them and t bagg them and cutt off them tose
• I can chase a butterfly for 2 hours and then burp at them and their accidently dead
• I became thane of almost every city
• I am eithier a champion or enemy against a deadric prince

And the Thalmor have trouble taking down a Frost troll if their so high and mighty

i use a high elf and the thalmor are rude to me. i still think they are cool though. they seem more intelligent than the empire and they have a plan for a new world order. kind of like the illuminati