Dwemer Lore

Electro_Funk · Nov 16, 2012

Just for general discussing of the dwemer lore. Just wondered how many other people have a keen interest into the dwemer lore?
I have read about the battle in which the dwemer mysteriously disappeared, and also about how the dwemer enslaved the snow elves thus creating the falmer (over a long peroid of time).
I just wondered if anyone had any interesting facts on the dwemer lore?

ThriceHeart · Nov 16, 2012

I sort of have an interest in the dwemer mostly because the history that surrounds them is shrouded in mystery. One piece of text that I had found to be quite interesting is when they were discussing with the Chimer about the way the Nords had dressed in the battle of Red Mountain, in how they would compare Civilised Soldiers to pelt wearing brutes.

MjolnirV · Nov 17, 2012

ThriceHeart said:
I sort of have an interest in the dwemer mostly because the history that surrounds them is shrouded in mystery. One piece of text that I had found to be quite interesting is when they were discussing with the Chimer about the way the Nords had dressed in the battle of Red Mountain, in how they would compare Civilised Soldiers to pelt wearing brutes.

Plus it is a skill book.

The dwemer are interesting and i like the dwemer ruins as well

feliciano182 · Nov 17, 2012

I think the dwemer were "removed" from Tamriel because, had they remained, they would've brought forth a new era of change and technology unto Nirn, their vanishment stopped this, and since it doesn't seem like they dissapeared due to "natural disasters" or any other type of conflict, I'm willing to bet The Divines removed them because they, or someone else, has an interest in keeping Tamriel in that state.

ThriceHeart · Nov 17, 2012

Of how many years has it been since the Mythic and First Era? Because it seems like in that whole time technology sort of stagnated to a point. I am under the assumption that the Dwemer were on the verge of a technological breakthrough, correct me if i am wrong but did they not try to create their own god from Lorkhan's Heart?

Electro_Funk · Nov 18, 2012

ThriceHeart said:
Of many years has it been since the Mythic and First Era? Because it seems like in that whole time technology sort of stagnated to a point. I am under the assumption that the Dwemer were on the verge of a technological breakthrough, correct me if i am wrong but did they not try to create their own god from Lorkhan's Heart?

I think you make a very interesting point about having a technological break through. Im gonna scour skyrim and see what dwemer writings i can find - and ill write them on this thread

Taken from the elder scrolls wiki -
Tensions began to flare between the Chimer and Dwemer once again. A great war erupted between them, eventually leading to the mysterious disappearance of the Dwemer during the Battle of Red Mountain. The difficulty was prompted by the discovery of a mythological artifact known as the Heart of Lorkhan by the Dwemer, deep in the mountains' bowels. The Chief Tonal Architect Kagrenac, their de facto religious leader, devised a set of tools, Sunder, Keening, and Wraithguard, to manipulate the Heart to instill divinity to his people, but the spell backfired and caused all known Dwemer to vanish.

Electro_Funk · Nov 18, 2012

feliciano182 said:
I think the dwemer were "removed" from Tamriel because, had they remained, they would've brought forth a new era of change and technology unto Nirn, their vanishment stopped this, and since it doesn't seem like they dissapeared due to "natural disasters" or any other type of conflict, I'm willing to bet The Divines removed them because they, or someone else, has an interest in keeping Tamriel in that state.

This is an interesting theory

Electro_Funk · Nov 18, 2012

ThriceHeart said:
I sort of have an interest in the dwemer mostly because the history that surrounds them is shrouded in mystery. One piece of text that I had found to be quite interesting is when they were discussing with the Chimer about the way the Nords had dressed in the battle of Red Mountain, in how they would compare Civilised Soldiers to pelt wearing brutes.

That sounds like an interesting piece of writing, would you be able to copy paste it so i could have a read if possible?

Electro_Funk · Nov 18, 2012

thankyou for taking the time to read this thread and reply

Electro_Funk · Nov 18, 2012

feliciano182 said:
I think the dwemer were "removed" from Tamriel because, had they remained, they would've brought forth a new era of change and technology unto Nirn, their vanishment stopped this, and since it doesn't seem like they dissapeared due to "natural disasters" or any other type of conflict, I'm willing to bet The Divines removed them because they, or someone else, has an interest in keeping Tamriel in that state.

Taken from the elder scrolls wiki but it sort of backs up the theory of Gods/Gods removing the Dwemer.

the Dwemer were feared by the Dunmer, Nords, Redguards and perhaps even by the Gods. Some Dunmer scholars might say, in this respect, that the Dwemer were blasphemous. They challenged the power of the Et'Ada, the Aedra and Daedra, questioned their authority, and traveled into the Outer Realms of Aetherius and Oblivion. Many scholars agreed that those factors may have led to their demise.

fuse735 · Dec 5, 2012

Falion of Morthal in Skyrim claims to have met dwemer in his travels through the realms, so its a possibility the dwemer are still out there, other than yagrum bagarn of course

zane · Dec 5, 2012

I think they're probably in another plain of sorts. Take into consideration of the Winterhold mage quest, where the guy tries to reenact the test the Dwemer did, and vanished.

I can only guess that their souls were bound and taken to another place. Either with Aedra, Daedra, or perhaps somewhere new.

I've been thinking that eventually when Bethsda does a battle of the Aedra and Daedra, they're probably going to bring in the Dwemer as a sudden plot twist. They've become their own godly beings, and just as strong, which will cause both Aedra and Daedra to squash them for rising up to their level of power.

just one of many theories though.

Thorn · Dec 6, 2012

Dwemer lore has always fascinated me. It is one of my favorite things in the Elder Scrolls. And I second the hypothesis of the Dwemer being bound now to another plane of existence, somehow vanishing all together, possibly the Aedra or the Deadra

dwemerDESTRUCTION · Dec 27, 2012

I think, during the Battle of Red Mountain, when the Heart of Lorkhan was activated by the Dwemer to try and become Divines. They all disappeared to a separate plane of existence, possibly among the Aedra. I think a good idea for a DLC would be a questline where the Dwemer return and you have to help them clear out their cities of Falmer and other creatures. And maybe when you go back to them after a while they are rebuilt. With Dwemer guards and a leader and steward, kind of like the holds. Maybe some fences and regular citizens, some with quests to do. What do you think

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Thorn · Dec 27, 2012

dweles plopsSTRUCTION said:
I think, during the Battle of Red Mountain, when the Heart of Lorkhan was activated by the Dwemer to try and become Divines. They all disappeared to a separate plane of existence, possibly among the Aedra. I think a good idea for a DLC would be a questline where the Dwemer return and you have to help them clear out their cities of Falmer and other creatures. And maybe when you go back to them after a while they are rebuilt. With Dwemer guards and a leader and steward, kind of like the holds. Maybe some fences and regular citizens, some with quests to do. What do you think ?

Oh how that would please me

Haru17 · Dec 28, 2012

The dwemer hate daedra and aspire to be aedra. This is a belief close to all elves, but the dwemer seem to be the only ones that have ever gotten close or even achieved the goal of becoming aedra. I personally think that during the siege of Red Mountain, when the Dunmer invaded from the surface and the crazed Falmer from below, Kagnerac used Keening, Sunder, and Wraithguard to send his race to Aetherius, TES' "heaven".

The dwemer condescension towards the other races of the world very much isolated them from men and mer alike. It caused them to war with many others, but generally the dwemer's technology allowed them to prevail.

The dwemer mined a light blue colored mineral called aetherium in Skyrim until it was depleted. Its color matches both the geode veins and bioluminescent mushrooms found in Blackreach. This leads me to believe that the geode veins are related to aetherium, which makes aetherium a type of soul gem. This would more directly link aetherium to Aetherius, besides the name similarities. So my theory is that Kagnerac used the power from the Heart of Lorkhan and a lot of aetherium as a conduit to send his race to Aetherius. A similar effect was observed when Arneil Gane of the College of Winterhold struck a warped soul gem with Keening and disappeared.

Visual comparison:

Aetherium

Geode Veins

Mushrooms

feliciano182 · Dec 28, 2012

Thorn said:
Dwemer lore has always fascinated me. It is one of my favorite things in the Elder Scrolls. And I second the hypothesis of the Dwemer being bound now to another plane of existence, somehow vanishing all together, possibly the Aedra or the Deadra

Nah, something removed them "Arcanum Style"

zane · Dec 29, 2012

Haru17 said:
The dwemer hate daedra and aspire to be aedra. This is a belief close to all elves, but the dwemer seem to be the only ones that have ever gotten close or even achieved the goal of becoming aedra. I personally think that during the siege of Red Mountain, when the Dunmer invaded from the surface and the crazed Falmer from below, Kagnerac used Keening, Sunder, and Wraithguard to send his race to Aetherius, TES' "heaven".

The dwemer condescension towards the other races of the world very much isolated them from men and mer alike. It caused them to war with many others, but generally the dwemer's technology allowed them to prevail.

The dwemer mined a light blue colored mineral called aetherium in Skyrim until it was depleted. Its color matches both the geode veins and bioluminescent mushrooms found in Blackreach. This leads me to believe that the geode veins are related to aetherium, which makes aetherium a type of soul gem. This would more directly link aetherium to Aetherius, besides the name similarities. So my theory is that Kagnerac used the power from the Heart of Lorkhan and a lot of aetherium as a conduit to send his race to Aetherius. A similar effect was observed when Arneil Gane of the College of Winterhold struck a warped soul gem with Keening and disappeared.

Visual comparison:

Aetherium

Geode Veins

Mushrooms

that matches a lot actually.
If you think about how you had to make the special items and use the soul gems for the one mage to recreate the experiment of the Dwemer, then it does sound close to your theory. I like it

Though if I remember, the Dwemer didn't like either Aedra or Daedra. They threw away all need to follow any form of god - If I remember correctly that is =o.

Haru17 · Dec 29, 2012

zane said:
that matches a lot actually.
If you think about how you had to make the special items and use the soul gems for the one mage to recreate the experiment of the Dwemer, then it does sound close to your theory. I like it

Though if I remember, the Dwemer didn't like either Aedra or Daedra. They threw away all need to follow any form of god - If I remember correctly that is =o.

Thanks! You're right about the divines. The dwemer aspire to be divine, daedra or aedra was not specified. I've heard that they hate daedra and do not worship aedra (ex: the divines). I'm not sure that they hate the aedra though. I would understand the dwemer's hatred of the daedra specifically seeing that their followers, the Chimer, warred with the dwemer consistently.

As to the theory I think that the Aetherial shield's mechanics fit it as well. It causes a hit enemy to become specteral for a time. This could be them phasing into the realm of Aetherius.

What happened with Arniel was that the soul gem was made to "be unfit to hold a soul", I think that this made the gem more like aetherium. This means that it would have to send Arniel's soul somewhere else. I think this is how he went to Aetherius and how the dwemer got there. The only difference is the scale of the experiment. Arniel only wanted to send himself there, so a soul gem would probably suffice. However the dwemer wanted to send an entire race there, spread across half of a continent no less. This required the Heart of Lorkhan, a powerful divine artifact. I still think that aetherium was used in the dwemer expiriment to some capacity, though what capacity I know not.

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