Connecticut Shooting

Crooksin · Dec 14, 2012

Jersey Dagmar said:
The gun laws in this country are a joke. Okay, you want to hunt. Fine, get your permit and get a rifle. The type of gun that is designed for hunting. You want to protect yourself and your family, fine, get a permit and a handgun.

But, automatic weapons? Really? Those type of firearms do not need to be owned by the general public. Sorry. I almost laugh when people say 'Now is not the time to be talking about how we fluffed up again as a country'. No. Now is the PERFECT time. It is just too damn easy to get guns in this country. And I'm talking about the type of guns that, as I've already said, regular citizens have no business owning.

And no, this is not how our world works. This is something that we should NEVER EVER allow to become the norm. And never going to happen? It has happened. School shootings happening every few years is too much. It shouldn't be happening at all.

I'm not saying it should be the norm and I agree once is more than enough but I'm being realistic. If someone truly wants to shoot up a school, its going to happen, that is pretty evident. I never said it was never going to happen, I said the chance of it happening at a school is very very low, that's not to say that it won't. Because of this, the school board isn't going to add security guards to their ever shrinking budget and armed teachers is not a good idea.

How does it get prevented? More screening, more tightening on gun laws. Banning automatic weapons? With how America thinks right now, that's never going to happen and even if it did, I'm sure his mother would've had a semi-auto for him to steal instead.

Every single mass shooting case I've ever read about, I've seen that it could've have been preventable if the people in the perpetrators life had watched a little bit more closely. 9/10 there were signs way before this happened, yet no one does anything until it is too late. That's the problem.

Jersey Dagmar · Dec 14, 2012

Crooksin said:
I'm not saying it should be the norm and I agree once is more than enough but I'm being realistic. If someone truly wants to shoot up a school, its going to happen, that is pretty evident. I never said it was never going to happen, I said the chance of it happening at a school is very very low, that's not to say that it won't. Because of this, the school board isn't going to add security guards to their ever shrinking budget and armed teachers is not a good idea.

How does it get prevented? More screening, more tightening on gun laws. Banning automatic weapons? With how America thinks right now, that's never going to happen and even if it did, I'm sure his mother would've had a semi-auto for him to steal instead.

Every single mass shooting case I've ever read about, I've seen that it could've have been preventable if the people in the perpetrators life had watched a little bit more closely. 9/10 there were signs way before this happened, yet no one does anything until it is too late. That's the problem.

From what I have read, the guns were under his mother's name. And I'm sorry, banning automatic weapons needs to happen. In Japan, a regular citizen isn't even allowed to carry a firearm. None whatsoever. And I'm not saying they don't have crime, but look at them compared to us. And it's pretty clear that things over here need to change. Not later, but now.

Crooksin · Dec 14, 2012

Jersey Dagmar said:
From what I have read, the guns were under his mother's name. And I'm sorry, banning automatic weapons needs to happen. In Japan, a regular citizen isn't even allowed to carry a firearm. None whatsoever. And I'm not saying they don't have crime, but look at them compared to us. And it's pretty clear that things over here need to change. Not later, but now.

And I completely agree, the less guns in the equation is for the better. In Canada, automatic weapons are banned and that would probably explain why when something like this happens here (there very very very little shootings and I can only think of one school shooting in Canada off the top of my head), the casualties are much, much lower. But you have Americans who take the 2nd Amendment to the extreme and forget that it was made in the 1700s or 1800s (I'm not too sure tbh) where you HAD to have a weapon on you because it was dangerous.

The guns may have been registered in his mother's name, but I'm talking for future assailants, I know the guy at Aurora bought all his weapons legally in his own name. Banning auto weapons may bring the casualties down a bit, but its not going to fix the problem. More attention needs to be on people with a history/showing signs of mental illness, and not brushed off as a phase or something like that.

Andante · Dec 14, 2012

Lady Imp · Dec 14, 2012

Crooksin said:
The guns may have been registered in his mother's name, but I'm talking for future assailants, I know the guy at Aurora bought all his weapons legally in his own name. Banning auto weapons may bring the casualties down a bit, but its not going to fix the problem. More attention needs to be on people with a history/showing signs of mental illness, and not brushed off as a phase or something like that.

I could not agree with you more. We need to pay more attention to mental illness. Remove the stigma, have health insurance pay for treatment, and remove the shame from getting treatment. That's where a lot of the issues are, no one wants to admit they have schizophrenia or have a relative with severe antisocial personality disorder. We don't institutionalise anymore folks! Treatment can be done while maintaining a normal life!

Brizzle Kicks · Dec 14, 2012

Wow just seen it on the news what a f###ed up world we live in and what a total f###ing pussy that gunman was choosing a kids school deary me makes you sick to the stomach.

Jersey Dagmar · Dec 14, 2012

“Why does a tragedy like 9/11 change everything about air travel, but numerous gun massacres CHANGE NOTHING?”
—Justine Bateman, hitting the nail on the head.

Brizzle Kicks · Dec 14, 2012

Jersey Dagmar said:
From what I have read, the guns were under his mother's name. And I'm sorry, banning automatic weapons needs to happen. In Japan, a regular citizen isn't even allowed to carry a firearm. None whatsoever. And I'm not saying they don't have crime, but look at them compared to us. And it's pretty clear that things over here need to change. Not later, but now.

I agree if you wana fight do it with your fists.

Lady Imp · Dec 14, 2012

Brizzle Kicks said:
I agree if you wana fight do it with your fists.

Meh, why bother, they got rid of the Hand-to-Hand skill....

Spiral Power! · Dec 14, 2012

This is why I don't like to go outside the house

Jersey Dagmar · Dec 14, 2012

wandervon said:
This is why I don't like to go outside the house

You aren't even safe in your own home. The neighbors across from me got robbed last week. And this is a pretty nice neighbourhood. Nowhere is safe anymore.

Simus · Dec 14, 2012

Jersey Dagmar said:
You aren't even safe in your own home. The neighbors across from me got robbed last week. And this is a pretty nice neighbourhood. Nowhere is safe anymore.

Okay Jersey, that's a little much. There's a fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

I'm glad this guy shot himself after killing these poor kids. He saved the taxpayers a lot of money and now we can have a trial for someone else, someone who deserves to be heard. I simply don't understand how someone could be posessed by such madness. It's as if he never stopped to question his actions or think about what he could possibly gain from doing this. I just don't get it. It also makes me very sad to know that once people get to this point they are beyond redemption. You just can't save someone this screwed up, you've got to help them sooner while there's a chance to get them right. I really feel bad about the kids and teachers that survived the shooting. The adults are going to carry this pain for the rest of their lives, even if they learn to live with it. The children will probably be okay but there's going to be a lot of nightmares before that happens. God watch over all of them.

As for gun control, I say ban anything that's not a concealed weapon, a hunting rifle or a handgun. Then make these three items much easier to get. The theory behind this is everyone's packing so everyone has some protection against a threat like this. If he fires at you, fire right back. I feel that would save more lives that not, at least in the long run. Plus, with more limited armament, you can't have one guy shoot twenty people in a few minutes just by spraying a room with bullets. It takes more time to aim, shoot and load a handgun and that would give others more time to respond.

Most of you may not agree with me but consider this: people are a lot less likely to make trouble if they know everyone else is armed: an armed society is a polite society.

Jersey Dagmar · Dec 14, 2012

Simus said:
Okay Jersey, that's a little much. There's a fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

I'm glad this guy shot himself after killing these poor kids. He saved the taxpayers a lot of money and now we can have a trial for someone else, someone who deserves to be heard. I simply don't understand how someone could be posessed by such madness. It's as if he never stopped to question his actions or think about what he could possibly gain from doing this. I just don't get it. It also makes me very sad to know that once people get to this point they are beyond redemption. You just can't save someone this screwed up, you've got to help them sooner while there's a chance to get them right. I really feel bad about the kids and teachers that survived the shooting. The adults are going to carry this pain for the rest of their lives, even if they learn to live with it. The children will probably be okay but there's going to be a lot of nightmares before that happens. God watch over all of them.

As for gun control, I say ban anything that's not a concealed weapon, a hunting rifle or a handgun. Then make these three items much easier to get. The theory behind this is everyone's packing so everyone has some protection against a threat like this. If he fires at you, fire right back. I feel that would save more lives that not, at least in the long run. Plus, with more limited armament, you can't have one guy shoot twenty people in a few minutes just by spraying a room with bullets. It takes more time to aim, shoot and load a handgun and that would give others more time to respond.

Most of you may not agree with me but consider this: people are a lot less likely to make trouble if they know everyone else is armed: an armed society is a polite society.

Yea, that's it! Let's make getting guns easier. That makes a whole lot of sense.

Andante · Dec 14, 2012

Simus said:
Most of you may not agree with me but consider this: people are a lot less likely to make trouble if they know everyone else is armed: an armed society is a polite society.

You're right! I bet that fellow wiped his feet before he walked into that elementary school, and opened fire on children. What manners.

Simus · Dec 14, 2012

Andante said:
You're right! I bet that fellow wiped his feet before he walked into that elementary school, and opened fire on children. What manners.

That's not what I meant Andante and there's no need to be snide. If the school staff were armed (because everyone would be, not just the teachers.) The death toll could have been so much less because he would have been taken out after the first shot. Yes killing him would still be murder but him and two or three children would be better than twenty. It's cold logic, I know but it's still a better situaton than what we had today.

Jersey Dagmar · Dec 14, 2012

And what if one of the school staff, who now have their own firearm and became unhinged? Or what if a whole group of them were pissed off at someone else and decided to go on rampage?

Hargood · Dec 14, 2012

But What is the Question we are all asking about this?

...It's "Why Did he do this horrible thing?"

Are we Seriously Answering this with "Because he got his hands on a Gun, Case Solved"...?

Simus · Dec 15, 2012

Then there's nothing to stop that from happening. That's an inherent risk, but again, one staff member goes on a rampage, the others have the power to stop it. I don't know how you'd stop an entire group if that did happen, God forbid it. You'd have to see the group rampage coming I suppose.

Andante · Dec 15, 2012

Granted my comment before was a little sarcastic, we're just not going to find common ground on this issue. The answer to gun violence is to hand out more guns, really? Make them easier to get? So instead of preventing gun violence in the first place, we should put guns in the hands of teachers - the ones responsible for teaching children and being a role model - and let children learn that it's perfectly acceptable to carry a deadly weapon and blow holes through anyone they feel threatened by? That's ridiculous.

Simus · Dec 15, 2012

Andante said:
Granted my comment before was a little sarcastic, we're just not going to find common ground on this issue. The answer to gun violence is to hand out more guns, really? Make them easier to get? So instead of preventing gun violence in the first place, we should put guns in the hands of teachers - the ones responsible for teaching children and being a role model - and let children learn that it's perfectly acceptable to carry a deadly weapon and blow holes through anyone they feel threatened by? That's ridiculous.

You're right: blowing holes through anyone you feel threatend by is rediculous. That's precisely what's wrong with my idea. However, I believe that most people would not resort to shooting someone because they feel threatened or don't like someone. For me at least, a gun's presence alone is incentive enough not to mess with them. Remember that I'm talking about handguns and concealed weapons, not automatic weapons: civillians have no business owning automatic weapons. No one outside of a militairy base or a warzone has business carrying an automatic weapon. If there were a way to get rid of all the guns in this country quicky and effectlvely I would be the first to support it, but as of now there isn't. Banning guns would probably just move the arms business underground just like with prohibition. It wouldn't address the guns already here and there are probably millions of them. The government would have to search every house and every building in order to find them all and that would take a huge amount of time and manpower: enough to where it wouldn't be practical.

I feel that we could reach for some common ground Andante, but we should probably drop the subject before one of us gets angry. I'm willing to stop now, while we're both still civil.

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